With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package
 

In the worse redlight post mention is made of "racing for package" Thus, a separate discussion.

Around 1998 Steve Taylor began promoting the worse red light rule. About 18 years later, the ideal came into reality.

He called the idea "Drag 2000" and explained to me the idea came to him while watching a big money bracket race and seeing a number of racers advance to the next round because the slower car was red.

In addition, part of his drag 2000 idea was to race for "package" His concept was the amount from perfect [either positive or negetive] would be your package number.

Example,

*racer #1 has a reaction of .020 and is .007 over dial. He has a .027 package
*racer #2 has a reaction of .498 and is .010 over dial. Racer #2 is the winner with a smaller .012 package

Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package
 

Makes no sense. What if it was a heads up run?
If both lights were green you are racing for the package.
Your saying if both go red race for the package not who relighted worse?

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Example,

*racer #1 has a reaction of .020 and is .007 over dial. He has a .027 package
*racer #2 has a reaction of .498 and is .010 over dial. Racer #2 is the winner with a smaller .012

Is that -.002 red?

Mike

Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package
 

"In addition, part of his drag 2000 idea was to race for "package" His concept was the amount from perfect [either positive or negetive] would be your package number."

I'd say yes. either side of .500 counts and is added as reaction time.

Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package
 

Yawn.........

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Yes, the math is based on .500 so any numbers other than .500 totals your package. the numbers each side of .500 are added together.

A time slip with .490 red reaction and .010 over dial is a package of .020

A time slip with a .510 reaction and .010 over is a package of .020

[the win would be carried out to four or more decimal places]

Some years before his death Steve stayed three days at my shop and slept in my motorhome. During those three days, we talked constantly about drag racing and his thoughts and ideas. He was an interesting guy, sharp, and a good racer. He even did a powerglide build under my supervision :)

Steve was friends with the Accutime guy and was making a tour of the South, stopping at several tracks along the way.

Steve and I connected because his Drag 2000 idea was printed in the Texas Raceway at Kennedale race newspaper.

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Makes no sense at all. The guy that redligts is declares the winner. That's Baloney.
I've never won anything going red, and I've tried it many times, LOL.

And to help us understand the comparison the lights should be listed as 520 and 498.
Or -002 and 020

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So, it would basically be making time runs all day since it wouldn't matter who actually crossed the stripe first?

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Basically, the idea removes red lights and breakouts from the equation but retains the goal of being the closest to having a 'perfect' run as the determination of a winner in eliminations. Yes, it may seem like "time trials all day long," but you still have to have the better time trial than your opponent.

This is something that I have thought about before, especially when it comes to the Super classes. Someone qualifies at 12.50 (2.600 off) on the SG index of 9.90 and they get placed higher in the ladder than someone who goes 9.899 (0.001 off)? It always seemed counterintuitive when the goal is hitting the index as close as possible. For the same reason, a run of 0.399/9.900 feels more 'worthy' of a win against a run of 0.425/9.957 in the other lane.

The suggestion probably won't fly in S/SS because of the "performance-based" boogyman, but it's an idea to consider in Index and straight ET racing.

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During the days when Steve was strongly pitching the concept, he had [as would be expected] both lovers and haters.

Now, some years after his death, half of his idea is being widely implemented.[worse red light]

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I talked with him enough to understand that the worse right rule was in main focus and the racing for package was something he thought would be interesting to test.

Someone with the time and inclination to do so could take some pair by pair results from a race and apply the "package" concept and show how the race outcome would differ.

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Actually it dial in racing it is not always who crossed the finish line 1st. if you are 1st across line but break out or break out by more you lose

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It completely removes the danger from trying to be perfect. Under the current system, there is a lot of risk in setting up tight. Everyone finds their own risk/reward balance.

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It completely takes being a good driver out of the dragracing concept

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I understand. But it removes the "race" part of it, the finish line skill and strategies, the chase, the game of taking the stripe or not, and staying green and not breaking out. Even in the pro tree .90 classes, that's drag racing. Who would be in favor of that? Want to do that? Some places run a best package round in time trails, with breakout and red lights enforced. But that's not racing.

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What’s next idea? Participation Trophies and everyone goes home a ‘winner’? LMAO

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Maybe we could just each do it from our home track and email in the results, that way we wouldn't even need to travel to the event. Or better yet just stay home and do it like a video game?

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I agree with Keith944. I want to RACE the person next to me- not make it a glorified run for the money event. If I earned .02 at the tree, I want to try and use it at the stripe. It does not seem like true competition, where is the skill and art of finish line driving, where is the stagedy? I'll pass.

Ryan