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Apparently, you can now use an automatic only combo ,with a stick shift, in a FWD conversion body style.
So then , how about a DZ 302 with an automatic trans?

What are some other possibilities?

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85 ford mustang 302 with an auto.

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How about a Boss 302, Boss 351 or even a Boss 429 with an automatic! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

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Yeah, those are good ones.
I don't suppose anyone would say a word ,until one became no. 1 Q.

When did this change anyway? I thought the transmission had to match the engine in GT?
Also , the particular engine had to be available in the product line that it's being transplanted into.
Not anymore. You can have say, a traditional Pontiac V8 in a Chevrolet, which never had one from the factory.
So, how about a 1963 Pontiac 389 with an AFB, 8.6 comp. economy engine, stick shift only (The Mullins motor), in a FWD conversion Cobalt, with an automatic?
Again ,nobody would care,... least of all NHRA, as long as you spent the $175 x 5 , plus the $ 350 a few times, plus the $200 for membership, numbers, etc.

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Run whatcha brung, bracket 2 non delay...formerly called Superstock GT....

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I got what you want then. Sunfire with all of the hard work done. Comes with the last body kit available. CHEAP!! Call me. Also have all of the 1963 blocks you want.

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You got that right.

How about the 350 Olds FI out of a Cadillac Seville, with a 4 speed.
But, seeing it doesn't come with a stick anyway , just use a 5-speed.

Better yet , Kenny Sharp gets the hp up too high in his El Dorado with the 425 Caddy, so he puts a stick in it. Good to go?

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Well Mark, you can use the premise the 260 Olds came with a 5-speed stick transmission! :D

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http://www.nhra.net/tech_specs/class...s/1994CHEV.xls

You are right, know one pays attention until someone builds something in the book, and it goes fast. What else do we have to go by?

Ernie

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You're right about that, Ernie
Truth be known, I set a stick shift record with an automatic only combo, about 20 years ago. The notation was in the book at one time, but was edited out in later versions.
Not my problem.
Decades ago, there was a guy out there who knew all this stuff. I guess he was irreplaceable .

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Where does this ruling come from? Name your sources.

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That is a great car and motor Bruce. Put it all in a 64 block and a 200 metric and I think you would have something. You need to finish that thing. I think I even still have a set of those 4 cyl 4 barrel heads I would donate if needed . :-)

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You don't need sources or a ruling. ...Just do it..Once you make Nitro Joe's specs, you're good to go,
Mr. ???

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No $$,... No desire anymore. I've been 15 years trying to get the Bales car on the track. Getting closer. The Matador fell back in my lap. Finally about done updating it. And I was trying hard to build a 389 tri-power 1965 GTO but the brass won't lower the 360 hp rating to somewhere close to the 1962 389 tri power that's now 275. I told them I'd be happy with 300 hp. Nada. Don't know what to do with that car now. Thanks for the offer. But I've probably got 5 set's of those heads! I want that Sunfire outa here.

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I understand, in the same boat myself. Although at 72 I still have the desire and have built hundreds of them sitting at the kitchen table, my uncle sam paycheck won't cover it. Too bad they won't drop the hp off the GTO but you got to love Bob Michael's 62 GP. ----- Keep at it Bruce , finish them or not it'll keep you young.

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Great job Ernie on number #1 qualifyer at Indy and class win. Now do me a favor next year at Indy stay at home so I have a chance with my 327. -1.50 under as Mike Ditka would say C'mon man! 😳

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I will check with NHRA to see if it is legal.

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move to the west coast every thing is legal

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Does this mean my 55 Chevy wagon with 300 hp 350 and 5 speed can be a legal GT car now ? GREAT NEWS.

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In other words, anything goes in SS/GT?

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It's funny it's all ways the same cry babies on here crying if you look in the classification guide it does not say stick or auto only in the guide in GT or the Caprice It has been that way for many years Erie played by the rules and passed tare down. There is plenty of good combos in the guide if your willing to build it
and smart enough to find it.

STEPHEN BELANGER 3712 SS

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I don't speak for any crybabies, but I'll respond, seeing I started this thread.
I just looked up the 69 Z28 .It says automatic only. Therefore, you can't put an automatic in one and run GT/KA or whatever. Of course everybody knows that .
Also ,everybody knows there were no 5 speed Caprice taxi cabs. Everybody but NHRA tech, that is.

A couple of years back, some good ol' boys in Div. 6 built 82 Mustang 302 HO Stockers with automatics. They ran pretty good, until someone pointed out to NHRA that it was a 5 speed only combo. Most of us already knew that.
Point is, anyone who wants to built an auto only combo with a stick, or vice versa, be my guest . I'm not gonna cry about it. Nor will I if it gets rescinded.

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69 Z28 is manual only.

82 Mustang was a 2-Barrel. It was 85 Mustang HO that racers built with an automatic but got banned because it was manual trans only.

Do you ever read/edit what you type before you post?

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I don't know if he does or not, but his SPELLING and GRAMMAR are spot on....

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Excuse me for the typo . Manual only.

Point 2. You are incorrect. I was talking about the 82 Mustang and Capri in Div. 6 .You want names? I'll get them.

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The 1982 5.0 Mustang and Capris were equipped with the "High Output" 302 2 barrel engine, which had a bigger cam and 2 barrel carb than the 1979 Mustang 5.0 & Capri,the 79 could be automatic or 4 speed (3 speed with OD, actually), but the 82 was 4 speed only. In 1980 & 81, there was no 5.0/302 Mustang/Capri, the only V8 was a 255 cube turd, rated at 115HP, I recall. Although the 82 5.0L HO was indeed a 2 barrel, 83 & 84 came with a Holley/Motorcraft 4180 4 barrel carb, and were also stick only. Early 83s retained the same SROD 4 speed as in 82, part way thru the 83 model year, the T5 5 speed was introduced, and 84s used the same engine and 5 speed. 85 reatined the same style Holley/Motorcraft 4180, but introduced the hyd. roller camshaft, and also factory shorty style tube headers. The 82 5.0 2 barrel HO was factory rated at 157 HP, the 83&84 4 barrel was 175HP, and the 85 at 210HP.

Ford did offer a 5.0 engine with an automatic transmission in Mustang and Capri in 83,4 &5, BUT rather than the 4 barrel carb HO engine, the automatic combo used a CFI throttle body fuel injection and hyd. flat tappet cam.
The first 5.0 HO engine available with an automatic came in 1986 Mustang and Capris, which were the first of the Multi point EFIs used in the Mustang. 86 was also the last year of the Mercury Capri FOX body.