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I heard a rumor that NHRA changed the hood rule for 1969 Camaro's. Is it true that unless you have a 427 or a Z-28 302 you have to run the flat hood now in stock or Super Stock?
Has someone lost their mind at NHRA or is this just bad information? I had heard Paul Forte at Turbo Action has had it with NHRA due to this ruling.

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Terry, NHRA changed the rule last year. You can't run the cowl hood on a 350/255 combo anymore.

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Well Im convinced that NHRA is stupid now. My neighbors son had a white with hounds tooth interior 255 HP (not a 300) hard top Camaro when new in 1969 and it had a cowl hood. I did the heads on it for him and they were #441's I remember very well looking it over at the time and my long term memory is still very good. All of the crap NHRA allows today and they pull stunts like this. Its crazy but I don't have a dog in the hunt. I was just asking. Enjoy !!!!!

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I spoke to Paul about this issue at Orlando. Paul said he would not be running any NHRA races due to this deal. I told Paul I had a flat hood that I would give him to run if he wanted. Maybe he will take me up on the offer. Paul is a class act.

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I thought you had come to that conclusion a long time ago?

I agree. Toward the end of '69 production that ran into 1970, there were lots of those built. Remember the thousands of pace car painted convertibles and hardtops (with the ugly orange and black houndstooth interiors) that all had ZL2 hoods? In the fall of '69, I looked at dealerships for a friend who was wanting one with a 300hp engine or a 396 and the first four I looked at were 255hp equipped. The best is the car my brother ordered from Cliff Peck Chevrolet in Little Rock with a 350-255, four speed, ZL2 hood, F42 suspension, positrac and spoilers to beat the insurance cost of the SS. Car was delivered in July of 1969 just before he went into the Army.

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:confused: :confused: I know I am late to the party and don't have a dog in this hunt. With all the things that are allowed in STOCK now, why is there an issue with this car/hood combo????? Personally, I think the cars look better with the cowl hood on it. Is there any weight difference between the 2 hoods (stock vs. cowl)?? Also, as long as it's not functional, would there be any performance advantage to the cowl hood?? Just my 2 cents which, in today's economy, ain't worth much. - - Just sayin'

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The cowl induction hood is slightly heavier due to the extra steel in it. Dwight is correct in his prior post.....I figured it out MANY MANY years ago that NHRA had their heads up their butts on a lot of things. Some things they do right but that was before Wally Parks passed away. NHRA had Marty Barrett and Greg X. to keep tech straight. I used to keep my membership up to date to get the National RAGster but I let slide probably 8 or 10 years ago so I haven't kept up with many of the rules changes such as this hood deal. Kind of funny when they allow the 1964 A/FX fiberglass hood on 1964 Comets today in S/S. The paper kept getting worse each year.

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Really sad how the tech department spends how many hours pouring over the books to rule on a car from 1969. Could it be an honest attempt to get rid of them? Could that be the same reason they took the 71 vette hood? Next they will find 255 hp wasnt available in 68, or in a camaro. Wrong they will just move to another group of racers to harrass. It is amazing to me how a "Business" like NHRA spends so much time on agitation of paying racers when they could attract many more with clarity, consistency, and openness....
Good Luck Class Nationals. Maybe this can become THE racing association of the next generation...

Maybe a list of bogus rules would be fun. You know each racer add the change they have seen which was factually wrong. Add your examples

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Can you run the 350/255 with the hood if you ran the car in SS/GT class?

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I would say yes.

Now, let's go through this one more time, the 69 Camaro was only available with the 350/255 until Dec 31 1968 and it was only available in a base car. The ZL-2 hood became an option on a 69 Camaro SS on Jan. 1 69. The standard engine in a Camaro SS is a 350/300.
The first 69 Camaro to get a ZL-2 hood is ZL-1 #1 built in Norwood although there is supposedly a documented Z-28 with a ZL-2 hood that was built in Los in late Dec.
There were no Pace Cars built with the 350/255 engine as all Pace Cars were SSs and would have had a 350/300 as the base engine.
And if you don't believe me, ask Tom Kasch to post some early pictures of Stockers and Super Stock 69 Camaros and you will notice that all of the 350/255 cars have flat hoods.

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Not likely NHRA took this upon themselves for no particular reason...likely a building chorus of complaints.

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How about all the wrong hoods they allow on the Mopars? AAR hoods on wrong Cudas. TA hoods on wrong Challengers. Hemi scoop hood on a 66 Belvedere.

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I rest my case.... Attack one brand and allow some others to beat the rules, today. Later attack or punish another group and agitate them.

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Thank you Billy ............It's my understanding that this entire matter was started by a racer who protested another racer - not the NHRA .

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You don't have to get me started on how NHRA has affected my finances and race program .

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i feel everybody's pain on the hood issue.they let the 68 to 71 big block corvette's run the L88 HOOD for years and then they took them away becuase of one racer that could not outrun a 69 big block corvette.with all of the bogus chrysler and ford hoods out there and then they do this it is just wrong!!! i guess all the 396-375 hp camaros are next.

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Thanks for the info. I figured there might be a slight difference due to design. It is surprising how much stuff is allowed on a STOCKER these days. I underdstand some of the changes, but many of the cars are so far from stock it is just wrong. I had a stocker briefly back in the 70's. I am still a big fan of the class and super stockers also, but shake my head at some of the cars that are running now. Pacific Raceways has 4 stock super stock combo races this year and I will be there for them all. I hope that the class will still be around for many more years. I have many friends that race in both stock and super stock and I applaud there efforts, in spite of what NHRA keeps throwing at them.

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If the cowl hood didn't come on it it shouldn't be on it. What about the rear wings that aren't on the cars that came with wings on them?

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Sounds like you are in a snake trap

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What I'm saying is if that engine/hp combo didn't have the option for a cowl hood then how can you run it? With that being said I think its funny how pretty much every 67-69 F-body stocker does not run a rear wing yet 95% of the ones that were ever on the street had them. I'm not a F-body guru and I'm sure the reason they get away with that is GM had the rear wings as an option but was that rear wing an option on cars that had Cowl hoods or was it part of the package?

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Billy, I am truly impressed with your data. Thanks. Wonder why NHRA took 40? years to look into this? I can only guess a competitor with a slower combination. Probably will still be slower but I must admit if it didn't come on it or not available as an option on it then it shouldn't be allowed. Now apply the same reasoning to all the other small parts, fins, wings etc. people have mentioned within a month or so and all will be fair.

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The spoilers were options.

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Spoilers (D80): The spoiler option was not available in 1967 on any Camaro. It became available as an option on all cars (except those with a rear antenna) in 68-69. It was not mandatory on any car, except for the 69 pace car replicas and later 69 Z's. The narrower 68 spoiler was used on the 69 Camaro up to January - March of 69, when the wider 69 spoiler was phased in. One of the torsion bars on an original spoiler equipped car will be of larger diameter to compensate for the weight of the spoiler. The front center of the 69 subframe will have a drilled hole to mount the center brace of the front spoiler.

Cowl hood (ZL2): The cowl hood was an option on SS and Z28 models in 1969 and was included on all COPO's and Pace Cars. It was introduced midyear 69. #1 ZL1, built 12E at Norwood is one of the first Camaros to have a factory ZL2 hood. A late December LOS-built Z28 with ZL2 has also been documented.
The ZL2 option included a solenoid and flapper in the hood. The wiring for the solenoid was routed through a special hole in firewall above the fuseblock. Only 10,026 cars received cowl hoods in 69 and about half of those went to COPO's and Pace Cars, meaning there were only 5,000 Z28's and SS's (out of about 20,000 Z28's and 30,000 non-Pacer SS's) that received the cowl hood.

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The thing that has always bugged me about the way NHRA does things is that they, quite simply, won't use the wealth of available knowledge that they and their Racers have. Just look at the old pics that Tom Kasch and others have posted on here. Don't you think that if a 66/67 Street Hemi Belvidere had a hood scoop available that Jere Stahl would have had one? Look at all of the old 6-Pack factory Challengers and Cudas. Why did Landy's car have a Shaker hood? Why wasn't the 390 Ford a competitive car when they were new? And do you realize that EVERY 1971 and later carbureted 350 Chevy combustion chamber number is wrong EXCEPT for one? The 350 truck is correct. How, at this point can NHRA fix that? It's been wrong since 71 but that is what was submitted. None of the other Manufacturers have clean hands in this either.

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Are there any back to back performance comparisons available between the cowl hood and the flat?

A number of them would have been changed back by now.

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I have not queried my buddy who used to run one on his '69 and had to swap to a flat due to protests. My guess is there would be little difference...maybe a slight advantage to the cowl under certain weather conditions.

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Maybe the guys running S/S with a 350/255 could tell us. They probably had to remove some carb spacers to get the flat hood to fit.

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Advantage of the tall hood is spacer ht and carb clearance. Some negative to air flow if used with or without ac as I understand.

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-I agree Billy, and they also allow 70-71 440 six packs to run aluminum intakes when they only came on th 69 A-12 cars but back then Chrysler was funneling lots of money to NHRA, I asked for and was not so politely denied a Shelby scooped hood for my SS 65 Mustang. :( I'd love to hear Jerry Mcneish's take on this hood issue

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With a maximum of two stock base gaskets allowed I don't think that has any bearing on either hood.

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In regards to the Challenger T/A fiberglass hood, I have a letter dated May 4, 1970 from Tom Hoover to Wally Parks, Jack Hart and Farmer Dismuke indicating this hood is now an available option on Challenger’s equipped with 340, 383, 440 4BBL. engines along with the 440 Six Pack and 426 HEMI. I’d be more than happy to share if needed but NHRA has accepted this for over four decades, therefore, it’s a non-issue. Now, the AAR glass hood for non 340 Six Barrel ‘Cudas, that’s another story…

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Yes, for the Challenger T/A hood, it is the N94 hood option.

The T/A hood option was available for all engine options as follows:

340/440- Six Pack: P/N 3577395

426 Hemi: P/N 3577396

340/440 - 4 Barrel: P/N 3577457

383 - 4 Barrel: P/N 3577458

Before Billy Nees says it does not exist, these part numbers are straight from the OEM 1970-1971, Chrysler Parts Catalog, Version 14-29-0; not from a racing catalog.
There are documented cars with these hoods and the carburetor base assemblies brings lots of money in the Hemmings catalog.

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1392411773

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Calm down there Sparky, while I was typing it I was thinking that I was wrong on the Dodge thing but I am correct about the AAR Cuda hood thing. David has already cracked me in the knuckles.
How long will it take before you say I don't exist? ;-)

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The T/A hood was only available on the 1970 challenger not any other year. and the RO 23 HOOD was only available on the 67 RO 23 and WO 23 cars.

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It does in Super Stock!!!!!!!!

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The Chrysler parts catalog and the options selection for both 1970 and 1971 years, shows the N94 hood option. The file I posted in my earlier post is the options list for the 1971 Challenger.

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Don't worry, ever since I moved from the Bronx, I had to stop cracking knuckles...

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Just to add another slice to the pie , in 1978 at Bristol fall race , Robert Leonard of IHRA then mandated that I have frt and rr spoilers on my 68 302 E/S car. With much objection and being told all 302 cars came with such and no others ,I agreed to find and install if previous years champ remove from his 67 350 car. I did not install and I did race,class win and down to 4

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http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/e...ps8ea6eb10.jpg

I would say that this car and this pic says it all. If a '67 302 had a cowl induction hood, front or rear spoiler this car would have had it in this pic.

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67 / 68 was not in the hood ,air was fom cwl w/ special air cleaner and duct assembly. Very few were ever seen or used . Have 2 in my possesion