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ollucky 01-19-2014 11:22 AM

Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first gear
 
New combination 406.

Car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first gear and will eventually die. It gets worse when the car is at operating temp. Ignition?

Please Help.

Alan Roehrich 01-19-2014 11:58 AM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Sounds a lot more like carburetor than ignition. Quickest way to find out is to swap another on it. Also, check the power valve(s) if so equipped.

1320racer 01-19-2014 12:02 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
either lock out the distributor or recurve it so it has ~ 20 degrees initial and 16-18 degrees mechanical advance. Easy to do with an MSD distributor.

Adger Smith 01-19-2014 12:02 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Holley carb?

ollucky 01-19-2014 12:03 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Also very hard to start at operating temp!

Little M Block 14:1 cam @ 50 278 intake 290 exhaust 111 lobe separation AFR 210's 5800 stall 750 carb that flows 920.

1320racer 01-19-2014 12:05 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
way too big cam and not enough stall but that's not your question.

ollucky 01-19-2014 12:07 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417113)
either lock out the distributor or recurve it so it has ~ 20 degrees initial and 16-18 degrees mechanical advance. Easy to do with an MSD distributor.

Distributor locked.

ollucky 01-19-2014 12:10 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adger Smith (Post 417114)
Holley carb?

Yes

1320racer 01-19-2014 12:10 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
how's the carb setup/baselined...how/where are the floats set, same question for transfer slots? What is the idle set at? Also how much fuel pressure?

ollucky 01-19-2014 12:14 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417120)
how's the carb setup/baselined...how/where are the floats set, same question for transfer slots? Also how much fuel pressure?

Jet size 82 all the way around float level fine. transfer slot I don't know. how do I check?

ollucky 01-19-2014 12:17 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417120)
how's the carb setup/baselined...how/where are the floats set, same question for transfer slots? What is the idle set at? Also how much fuel pressure?

7 1/2 psi

1320racer 01-19-2014 12:20 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
before you say the floats are fine do this...remove the bowls, invert them and slide a 3/8" or 7/16" drill bit along the roof of the bowl and the top of the float, adjust as necessary.

As to the transfer slots...take the carb off, turn it upside down and look at the slots that are in the wall of each bore. The baseline setting should be about .020 measured with a feller gauge and they should look like this [ ], partially covered by the throttle bore blade(s).

After checking/setting the floats and transfer slots, reinstall, set idle mixture screws, then set idle screw.

7 1/2 is to much, lower it to 6 1/2 for a baseline. If your fuel gauge is liquid filled, get rid of it.

Just confirming, you have no mechanical advance in your distributor?

ollucky 01-19-2014 12:33 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417126)
before you say the floats are fine do this...remove the bowls, invert them and slide a 3/8" or 7/16" drill bit along the roof of the bowl and the top of the float, adjust as necessary.

As to the transfer slots...take the carb off, turn it upside down and look at the slots that are in the wall of each bore. The baseline setting should be about .020 measured with a feller gauge and they should look like this [ ], partially covered by the throttle bore blade(s).

After checking/setting the floats and transfer slots, reinstall, set idle mixture screws, then set idle screw.

7 1/2 is to much, lower it to 6 1/2 for a baseline. If your fuel gauge is liquid filled, get rid of it.

Just confirming, you have no mechanical advance in your distributor?

Distributor is locked.

1320racer 01-19-2014 12:34 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
transfer slot(s)

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/o...ps76e56c26.jpg

SSDart 01-19-2014 12:42 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417132)

Equalize your back transfer slots as so they are close to the front. In other words open up your year blades ,so you can close your front. You may even need to drill bypass holes in the blades.
Showing too much transfer slot can and likely will give you hard starting issues once the engine has had some heat in it.

1320racer 01-19-2014 12:45 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
with his big cam and tight converter, i would bet he will need to drill the throttle blades if not already done.

SSDart 01-19-2014 12:58 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417136)
with his big cam and tight converter, i would bet he will need to drill the throttle blades if not already done.

It would be the best starting point......... to drill the blades......

1320racer 01-19-2014 01:05 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
it's best to setup the carb properly first. THEN if the problem is still there, drill the throttle blades and reset the idle mixture screws, followed by the idle screw.

ollucky 01-19-2014 01:21 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417136)
with his big cam and tight converter, i would bet he will need to drill the throttle blades if not already done.

Throttle blades are drilled

SSDart 01-19-2014 01:24 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ollucky (Post 417150)
Throttle blades are drilled

All four? How big are the holes? If the holes are too big they can create issues also

1320racer 01-19-2014 01:40 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
get the carb off yet?

ollucky 01-19-2014 02:04 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Please Call Me 210 533 8058 Raul

ollucky 01-19-2014 03:06 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SSDart (Post 417153)
All four? How big are the holes? If the holes are too big they can create issues also

.165 bore have use this carburetor for years and have never had this problem.

HandOverFist 01-19-2014 03:17 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ollucky (Post 417171)
.165 bore have use this carburetor for years and have never had this problem.

There is the key. What has been done/changed since the last time it ran properly? You stated this is a new combination...did you by any chance add/change any timing related or ignition components?

1320racer 01-19-2014 03:52 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Raul, making any headway?

ollucky 01-19-2014 07:07 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 417177)
Raul, making any headway?

1320 Racer ... Please send me your number and I'll call you. thanks
Raul

ollucky 01-19-2014 07:49 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HandOverFist (Post 417174)
There is the key. What has been done/changed since the last time it ran properly? You stated this is a new combination...did you by any chance add/change any timing related or ignition components?

Just engine combo long block? Went from a 355 to a 406. Same Heads Intake and Carb for the last 15 years.

HandOverFist 01-19-2014 08:08 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ollucky (Post 417190)
Just engine combo long block? Went from a 355 to a 406. Same Heads Intake and Carb for the last 15 years.

My point was carb's don't just go bad/quit working overnight. Unless it has sit idle for a very long time with old fuel I would tend to look elsewhere first. Someone suggested earlier trying another carb for effect...way less time consuming and a quick way to eliminate one potential area.

Mike Jones 01-20-2014 09:30 PM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ollucky (Post 417107)
New combination 406.

Car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first gear and will eventually die. It gets worse when the car is at operating temp. Ignition?

Please Help.

I`m sure you`ve already looked for vacuum leaks....

Bimbo Jones 01-21-2014 10:53 AM

Re: Help car drops 700 rpm when going from neutral to first
 
I had the same issue with a 750dp on my wagon. It turned out to be the transfer slot on the secondary's. I bought an adjustable 1 to 1 linkage for the carb. While it look to be adjusted correctly on the bench but when I attached the quick disconnect linkage to the carb it pulled the secondary butterflies just enough to cover the transfer slot. I put the original bent metal part back on problem was corrected. Good luck.


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