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bill dedman 06-18-2012 01:18 PM

Holley float level sight plug holes
 
I bought two new float bowls for my Holley 4150 double pumper and installed tham only to discover that the location of the float bowl sight plug holes is different, from the front bowl to the back one. Is this anything I need to address, or more to-the-point, why would they be at different heights? What am I missing here???

Anybody got any ideas on this?

Any information will be appreciated!

BlueOval Ralph 06-18-2012 01:54 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Just use a 3/8ths drill with the bowl up side down. Seems as I remember there was a difference between the 4150 & 4500 bowls. Are the ones you got drilled and tapped on both sides of the fuel inlets? If they are they are 4500 bowls.

Ed Wright 06-18-2012 02:37 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 331738)
Just use a 3/8ths drill with the bowl up side down. Seems as I remember there was a divergence between the 4150 & 4500 bowls. Are the ones you got drilled and tapped on both sides of the fuel inlets? If they are they are 4500 bowls.

I agree. I don't think serious racers use the sight plugs anymore. We didn't in the '70s.

bill dedman 06-18-2012 03:31 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Ed,

I'm not a serious racer (as you know,) but neither do I want to run around with float levels maladjusted. I didn't know an alternative way to adjust them...

Thanks for the info.

bill dedman 06-18-2012 03:36 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 331738)
Just use a 3/8ths drill with the bowl up side down. Seems as I remember there was a difference between the 4150 & 4500 bowls. Are the ones you got drilled and tapped on both sides of the fuel inlets? If they are they are 4500 bowls.

Yes, I had to move the inlet to the other side of the carb for the applicatiion, so I just bought two new bowls. One of the new bowls has threads on both sides of the fuel entrance. I guess that's the 4500 bowl...

Thanks for the explanation!

Harry 6674 06-18-2012 03:54 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
They are supposed to be different heights. At least thats they way Holley makes them.
I believe the secondary is higher than the primary.

bill dedman 06-19-2012 02:17 AM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Thanks for that bit of information! I learn SOMETHING new, every day... :)

Ed Wright 06-19-2012 01:12 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry 6674 (Post 331757)
They are supposed to be different heights. At least thats they way Holley makes them.
I believe the secondary is higher than the primary.

I always use a 7/16" drill bit as a gauge for the primary (front) and 3/8" for the secondaries.

bill dedman 06-20-2012 02:18 AM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Thanks, Ed; I am sure that's good advice! I'll follow it!!!

BlueOval Ralph 06-20-2012 09:25 AM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
If its a square carb like a 750 same pri & sec vent and throttle blade size I make everything same float levels air bleeds and jets same

bill dedman 06-22-2012 03:50 AM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Ralph; it IS a 750... double-pumper with 4-corner idle jets. Going on a high-boost, turbocharged slant 6....

Thanks for the advice!!!


Bill

BlueOval Ralph 06-22-2012 10:13 AM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
A good starting point with no Power valve is
Mj 77 or 78
HS bleed .026
Idle bleed .067 or .070
Idle feed rest in metering block .036 to .039
Set idle so blades are just below transfer slot.
At least .070 holes in throttle blades

Harry 6674 06-22-2012 10:39 AM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 332298)
Ralph; it IS a 750... double-pumper with 4-corner idle jets. Going on a high-boost, turbocharged slant 6....

Thanks for the advice!!!


Bill

Are you doing the Hanger 18 mods to the carb?

bill dedman 06-22-2012 03:16 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Harry,

I had a friend of mine who has a successful turbocharged 225 slant six in a '70 Dart (11-flat at 122 mph running into a 15-mph headwind, at 3,300-pounds,) modify this carb for me for blow-thru, and I am not aware of what he did, beyond building a bracket that was needed, for some reason, to locate a boost-referenced power valve. The primary float had to be relieved, somewhat, to clear that bracket.

I am sorry I don't know more to tell you. I am not familar with the "Hangar 18" mods, whatever they might be. Can you enlighten me please?

Thanks for your interest!

bill dedman 06-22-2012 03:24 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph (Post 332320)
A good starting point with no Power valve is
Mj 77 or 78
HS bleed .026
Idle bleed .067 or .070
Idle feed rest in metering block .036 to .039
Set idle so blades are just below transfer slot.
At least .070 holes in throttle blades

Thanks Ralph.

This carb has a boost-referenced power valve that will be operational.

The cams for these turbocharged engines have very little duration (210/210-degrees @ .050"-lift,) and are ground with 115-degrees of lobe separation, so they idle like a stocker.

I guess turbo engines don't much like overlap...

I don't think that I'll need any holes in my throttle butterflies, will I???

Thanks for any information!!!

Harry 6674 06-22-2012 03:43 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Hanger 18 mods are just removeing the air horn, plugging holes, making replacable jets for your pvcr's so can you run a smaller jet, some people just drill them out but it works better if you have jets of different sizes. I made mine out of 10-32x1/4" brass allen head set screws. The slant six can put out some real good power with a little boost. How big can you make a 225? I currently have a turbo'd 292 chevy six that I'm trying to get ironed out. Should be fun.

bill dedman 06-22-2012 04:44 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
Thanks Harry.

Can we take this discussion to email? I am sure there Class-Legal guys aren't interested in all this hairdryer conversation.

Email me at Billdedman@hotmail.com and I'd love to discuss this with you, and send you some pictures, email.

Thanks,

BlueOval Ralph 06-22-2012 08:14 PM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
It will just depend on if you can get idle speed correct with out exposing transfer slot set the secondary with the screw from the bottom side don't expose anymore than .060 of the transfer slot. If you can't get your wanted speed get your drills out.
Ralph


QUOTE=bill dedman;332354]Harry,

I had a friend of mine who has a successful turbocharged 225 slant six in a '70 Dart (11-flat at 122 mph running into a 15-mph headwind, at 3,300-pounds,) modify this carb for me for blow-thru, and I am not aware of what he did, beyond building a bracket that was needed, for some reason, to locate a boost-referenced power valve. The primary float had to be relieved, somewhat, to clear that bracket.

I am sorry I don't know more to tell you. I am not familar with the "Hangar 18" mods, whatever they might be. Can you enlighten me please?

Thanks for your interest![/QUOTE]

bill dedman 06-23-2012 01:01 AM

Re: Holley float level sight plug holes
 
That soinds like a plan, Ralph!!!

Not a street car at all; just trying to get it from point a to point b in the shortest time possible, so driveability is not an issue here.

Thanks much!!! :)


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