Recommended Engine Oil ?
 

I'm in the process of getting my old beater ready for Mission later this month. Need to change oil. Been using a zinc fortified 30W ( no longer available ), but I know I don't need that much viscosity in an engine thst doesn't see extended driving, or high temperatures. Even fully warmed up, oil presure at 1200-1300 RPM idle, is 25-30... and goes 70+ over 2500. With the engine cool... like tring to make a fast qualifying pass, my oil pressure at RPM, goes scary high... over 80.
Don't like that.

So, do you guys have a recomendation for oil brand / type, viscosity ?
I have an unusual oil pan on my car. It's actually an over-the-counter GM replacement pan, which has an extra 2 quart capacity ( I run 7 quarts in the 8 quart system ). So, I don't have to worry about running the pan dry.

Just trying to make a few good passes there at sea level !
Hey, bringing a spare rear end pumpkin too !

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Aubrey;
I think you should try Amsoil, Dominator 10W-30 Racing Oil..... In your fine ride....

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Brad Penn or Valvoline VR1 racing oils.Very good oils,for older cars

Kevin

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Everyone will recommend what they use and/or what their engine builder recommends and sells.;)

Further, what was the must run oil last year according to those that post on these forums isn't today, the recommendations change with the wind and who spends more $ on their marketing campain.;)

Me, I've been using Mobil 1 5W-30 since 1986 in my passenger cars and since 1991 in my race engines and I ain't changing because I read on a forum that some other oil is better.

Your only choice is deciding what viscosity to run as well whether you want to run conventional, semi synthetic or full synthetic. Otherwise for what you have and are doing oil is oil.;)

If you feel you need zinc, Lucas and others sell additives.

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Thanks guys...
yes, I guess it's the synthetic vs mineral again.
Is there an advantage to synthetic ?
I never found one.
I guess what !'m after is stability. I never have to worry about going rounds, and being unable to cool the engine down. PLENTY of time there ! So, typically, I CAN keep the engine cool for the pass. This is why I'm leaning towards a thinner viscosity... say a 10 / 30 or even 0 / 30 synthetic. However, this engine cost me a freaking FORTUNE, and I'm probably more concerned about it's survival, than that extra 4 HP !
So, I'd like my oil pressure to be kept around 65 for a run... but have enough stability to stay there, should I be in that environment where the temperature is allowed to get up there.
People tell me that only synthetic can do this ?

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I would recommend Amsoil synthetics as well. They have a wide variety of viscosities to fit your needs and all have high levels of zinc. Personally, I use the 5w20 Dominator. My engines exhibit excellent wear characteristics. Different viscosities will affect the average overall oil pressure.

http://www.amsoil.com/techservicesbu...t%20tappet.pdf

Feel free to PM me for sources and more info.

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Joe Gibbs 5w-30 synthetic has worked for years while still having decent oil pressure. And the engines come apart looking really good.

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if the engine clearances were set correctly and it had proper lubrication there's no reason the engine shouldn't "come apart looking really good".

Joe Gibbs oil is just the latest player in the game the internet crowd is talking up, before it, Brad Penn was the flavor of the day and before it Royal Purple.

All I know is that I've been using Mobil 1 for 26 years without issue despite the changing formulas and EPA mandates and my engines always come apart looking good and my last freshen up was after 500 passes seeing 8000 in the lights every weekend, 36 weekends a season.

Good luck finding a stock/super stock racer that puts half as many passes on his engine before freshening.;)

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Stock/Superstock engines are freshened for just that reason, to keep them fresh. Fresh ring seal and fresh valve seal.

Your not comparing apples to apples when you compare a S/SS motor to a throttle stop motor or a bracket motor.

If you have never dynoed Gibbs oils against "your oil", you might want too. There is HP to be had. But I guess when you can run an unlimited engine you don't need the extra 5 HP that a good oil can give you.

And yes, to answer your question, there are many S/SS motors with hundreds of runs on them. You are not the only racer who runs every weekend.

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Bob, I've been doing this a long time and I know there's a few HP to be had in oil but NOT when comparing like type and viscosities.

That said, I disagee with your claim, that "there are many S/SS motors with hundreds of runs on them" at least not in a single season;). FYI, I have many friends that race stock and super stock and not one of them is putting hundreds of passes on their engine before freshening.

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I had Lucas 20-50 in my car for break in then for class at the Gators I put in Lucas 0-20. I picked up 16 hundreths from the oil change. 12 hundreths first round and another 4 in the class final. Still did not have quite enough to beat the other car but made it close. I did not see much of a change in the oil pressure. I had been runnng either penzoil or mobile I 5-30 full synthetic. I recently had a lifter break so I decided to use a racing specific oil to see if it helpes with the lifter issue. So far I like the Lucas oil. For the summer in the heat I will probably go up to a 30 wt Lucas. I use a system one filter.

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Uhh.... would any of the many Stock/SuperStock racers that are freinds with 1320 racer care to weigh in here? It seems somehow his expertese in every aspect of motorsports has somehow flown under the radar of mainstream Stk/SS racing how can this be? Is he only allowed to help the New Jersey racers? That hardly seems fair to the rest of us under developed wanna be racers. Asking for someones advice on what oil to use is and always will be personal preference, find someone who runs a similar combo to you and ask them what they're using and if they're happy with the results. If in fact 1320 has a similar combo and has in fact used Mobil 1 in it to his satisfaction then I retract most of my statements.Joe BTW I run Royal Purple cause I like the color.

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1320racer.
Just to let you know I pulled the engine out of my super stocker this past fall. It had just shy of 300 passes on it since it's last freshen. The last pass in bracket mode was still more then -1.00 under the index. So some stock and super stockers are more then capable of going that long and turning over 8000 in the lights. Although normally we wouldn't go that long. However, the new motor wasn't done and the engine in the car kept ticking so we stayed with it. We also had a stocker engine in the shop not long ago that was in that neighborhood as well. But, we also have used Mobil1 for years and it always looks good.

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Joe...what part of the truth and the facts don't you like?:p

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1320, Truth can be a matter of perception, Fact I've yet to see you post any relevent to the OP's question as I'm quite sure you DO NOT run anything even remotely close to his combo. To have a chance of answering his inquiry you would have to ask several questions, What bearing clearence?, what RPM range? Any mods to the oiling system?. You DID NOT ask any of these questions and know nothing about his oil requirements.... yet you post that Mobil1 is gods gift to engines. If all you have to add is "this is what my make my big block bracket car fly" then perhaps you should instill your obvious massive amounts of knowledge to the local bracket racers. So lets start with some TRUTH, I've asked several times"what class of Super Stock is E ?" So now I'll allow you to spread some "truth and Fact" the floor sir is now yours.... Enlighten us. Joe,BTW as you can see in my Sig. I race SS/BX and your class is.....

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Joe, what part of the truth and the facts below don't you understand or agree with? Enlighten us:p

No where I have advised the op to run Mobil 1 because I run it.:rolleyes:

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No where in either of those posts did you offer anything more than YOUR opinion, you bad mouthed a few oil brands of which you've probably never ran, you stated you've ran Mobil1 for26 years though your engine has nothing in commom with the OP's. You completely failed to answer my question of what class "E" is, you've expressed YOUR truth, offered no facts so once again you've offered information irrelevent to the thread. IF you respond please include your S/S class and how far under the index your perfectly scienced out "S/S legal" unit runs as I've looked again and fail to see the "E" designation. FWIW it's OK to be a bracket racer, we all are to a point but at least have the stones to fess up to it, and quit giving bracket racer advice to racers who are trying to make their stuff FAST!

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I haven't bad mouthed any oil, I've offered my opinion as did everyone that replied has while also offering first hand experience with the oil I have been using for the past 26 years! Lastly, you assume too much. I have run Royal Purple and I run Joe Gibbs XP-1 in my son's jr. dragster.:p

The op will and should run whatever type and viscosity oil HE chooses regardless of what my or anyone else's opinion is. IF there's anyone's opinion he should be listening to, it's his engine builder!!!

Joe, get over yourself and your what does a bracket racer know mentality.

THIS bracket racer KNOWS!

That said, I'm sorry that my car is over a second quicker than yours, I'm sorry that I race more weekends in a season than you, I'm sorry that I race for more $ than you, I'm sorry that I win more than you, I'm sorry that I don't run the same oil you do, I'm sorry that I don't feel having to buy a new window net every 2 years is a big deal and I'm sorry I don't race in any Super Stock class.:p

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I know the will stur some sh-- but 1320 admits he just plain Sorry!

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WOW, now don't you feel better? You finally came out and said it, you don't race a "Class Car". Now as for your car being faster than mine that's easy to prove.... I have to weigh 11lbs. per cubic inch, 276X 11=3036 -100lbs. for auto trans Min. weight for me is 2936, I run it at 2975lbs. I average 9.75 seconds. So lets set your car up to 11lbs. per cubic inch, then you post how fast you went,deal? Saying your Big Block car is faster than a car with a 6 cyl. is typical bracket racer chump talk. So in parting let me congratulate you on your "coming out" and please let me know your results at 11lbs. per cube, can't wait to here the results. Joe

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Ed's car would need to weigh only 5742lbs to make that 11lb break.....LOL

Might be hard on driveline parts at that weight Ed....

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Rich, as you know, my car was built to and ran GT/AA as well it ran GT/DA and HA IIRC and I have been offered engines to run in both AA and HA.;)

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ED seems to be the one who needs to get over himself, if anyone can pull up an old post that indicates me giving advice on a subject I'm not well versed on I'll remove myself from any further topics of conversation. His statement would be akin to saying a full grown adult can out run a 2 year old. Or my F-350 can out pull your S-10 pick up, what pompus self centered dribble. You sir are not a very good representative of bracket racers, my son is a very good bracket racer he's won track championships more races than I can count, but he doesn't have the knowledge to advise someone on their class car setup. Hope some day he can but for now he does what he's best at, winning rounds and smiling.So let me know how it goes at 5700 plus lbs.Joe

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that is your opinion which is meaningless to me as well the op's question. Further, your claims of your son's bracket racing accomplishments have no place into this discussion.:rolleyes:

That said, allow me to extent my personal invitation to you and your son to line up with me 1st round at the WFC on 7/13/2012 at Bristol Dragway.;) :p

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Sooooo get your borrowed AA or HA engine and have at it big boy, talks cheap. I"m awaiting your posts of fame and glory, as well as running 1.20 under.Keep me posted. Joe

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Go with GT/DAor lower Ed.....

A nice small block......
Some 400's are popular as well as some old 327 combos.
If you really want to be bold go with an LT-1......Same engine as Larry's 2 cars but built to SS specs....They are very fast.

Still get to use a 3 speed....use a trans brake.....keep your big wheelies and run in the 9's....

Buy a motorhome......and a spare everything....
Spend your kids inheritance money up before they can.....Haha...

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right and be treated like sh.t by the NHRA, race for peanuts and beg contingency sponsors for $. No thanks I'll pass.

Bracket racing pays far better and is far more fun. In 3 years I'm buying a stacker and building Kyle a top shelf piperack.

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I've GOT IT !!!!


Im gonna run a litre of 10 30 Amsoil, a litre of 20 50 Mobil 1, a litre of 10 30 Valvoline racing oil, a litre of 0 weight Royal Purple, a litre of some old Red Line, heck, a litre of good old Castrol GTX 20 50, a bottle of Lucas supplement, and of course, a litre of Joe Gibbs 0 30.
( good thing I have the larger capacity, so I can get all these products n there )

THEN, I ll make more power than ANYBODY... and in that bracket race, I ll kick your azzes ! ! !

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well almost.;)

What no love for Brad Penn? :D

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Not claims just fact, to indicate that not all bracket racers are know it alls that offer advice or input on something they have no experience with.So please remove foot from mouth, put in your buddies borrowed engine and let your accomplishments become the subject of tales long told. Perhaps you weren't instructed as a child as I was and I passed on to my children.... if you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut and your ears open.... you might just learn something. I have no need to try to impress anyone on here, I've raced, ran fairly fast and have offered help to any racer that's asked me, if I felt I had the ability to do so. I DO NOT profess to know it all and would be a liar if I stated so. I would like to believe I've earned the respect of at least a few of my peers, though it's not required. Joe

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I DO NOT profess to know it all either and my advice to you is you should do the same, as you might learn something from a dumb bracket racer and since you continue to make this personal, your nor your claims of your kid's accomplishments impress me.

Now who wants to bet that this "very good bracket racer he's won track championships more races than I can count" will NOT be anywhere to be found at the WFC come July 13th?

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Aubrey, I appoligize for disrupting your post No disrespect was intended. As I stated please make conections with someone with a similar combo and see what they're running, I've got a Modified engine and it has no direct correlation to what you're running so my input would be mute. Again sorry for the rant in your thread. Joe

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As you should being that you only replied to this thread to attack me/my advice with this your 1st post of 8 which does infact disrespect the op and trivializes his question, while you offer nothing of relevance to it.



mommy and daddy clearly instructed you well.

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Can't 1320... that would put me over normal capacity, and that would slow me down... leaving a glimmer of a chance for the other guy to win the race.


but really...
While yes, I chose Stock ( with Super Stock in the back of my mind ) BECAUSE of the strict rules, and the challenge of making power through methods other than aftermarket heads, etc..... I don't minimize anybody's opinion.
Come on guys... we all are here to go fast.

No apology needed at all, Joe....
lets just have fun
I can't take myself seriously, so nobody else should

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Ed, IF you reread my posts I clearly suggested Aubrey to consult with someone running a similar combo I believe twice, maybe this isn't relevent... we'll let Aubrey decide. What I did not do was post a bunch of info about what I do run, how great it is and how smart I am to be doing it. You sir obviously have me outclassed when it comes to self promotion and answering questions posted with "what I do" it's apparent you have much more experience at it than me so I'll relent....You win due to my inability to push what I do as an answer. Would you prefer a plaque or just a fancy certificate? I believe, and I may be wrong on this that someone actually got you to admit you do not race a Class car your feelings are hurt and you view this as a personal attack. It's not meant as that it's meant to bring FACT to the surface. As my daddy always said"the truth only hurts if it should". Joe

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Oil just slows you down, take the tip from your fellow Alberta racer a few years ago who threw a rod out the bottom of the pan on his Hemi and never even oiled the Mission track. Don't know if they forgot to add any or just wanted less windage.

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Now if we could only get Andy Miller (Strange Magic) to chime in on this, we could really "let the good times roll"...LOL

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Didn't oil the track ?
GOOD MAN !
Because of you, we don't need diapers
You took one for the team.




MY GAWD.......... It would have taken 9 people to keep me away from the guy who was supposed to have put the oil in the engine !

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Andy always had Eddies number..............

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And as you stated you have used Mobil 1 for 26 years without issue. Did you test any other oil? How would you know if they are good or bad? Ain't no internet crowd testing on my engine dyno or going down the track testing oils.Better look outside the box or your left behind! That's the Mobil 1 box.