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Ran some 12.20s(average for this car)...car hooks and leaves great...i know its not a stocker, but thought you guys would like to see it :)

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Brent, that is a really neat car! You should be proud.

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thanks! I am... i absolutely love this car...my Dad passed in on to me when he died...its been in family since 1973...

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Love your ride and thanks for posting the pictures.

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Thanks!:D

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Nice looking '62 Pontiac you have there...got anymore shots of it.

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...6&d=1333325656

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Years ago [Byron] I watched a stock looking 62 Catalina 2ht rip off 9.30's @142 on factory 8 lugs and 10in tires. Big poncho motor with 2 Holleys and a jerico. IMPRESSIVE.

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Nice....I grew up drooling over cars like that!

Nothing nicer than a '61 Ventura or a '62 like yours.

Tri-Power 389 or even a nice 421.....Stick or Auto...

12.20's in that car would be fun...

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Just GREAT to see an early 60's GM,,, Chevy or Pontiac in particular, posted here ! !
Seems like it's only the Mopars ( there's no Fords either ? ) that get "air time" from the true beginning of the muscle car era.
If it's OK, I'll save a couple of those pictures on my computer.

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awesome poncho brent! my brother ran a 62 super duty in 1970.one of the best looking cars gm ever produced.

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I guess you haven't seen this new forum then have you...

http://classracer.com/classforum/for...sprune=-1&f=54

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here is another from last Saturday... thanks Guys!

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Still 90% Mopars in there, Mr. Moose ! ( not that I wouldn't like to have a 63 or 64 Dodge or Plymouth ).

Does anybody know of a 61-64 Pontiac that's running currently in Stock / Super Stock ?
Be nice to see.

VERY nice car, Brent. What speed are you getting throught traps ?

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I believe that Bob Michaels is runnin a '62 Grand Prix in I/SA(?) ..its red and runs low 12's, i believe...
My best trap speed is 108.90 with 12.15 best... 1.578 60ft best with avg of 1.59-1.60 in warmer weather... the engine is .030 TRWs(cast rods) with unported #48('69 400/330hp heads) 800dbl pump, Edelbrock RPM intake, 3 tube headers with extensions,400 turbo and 3.90 gear... havent weighed it since it had 389 and 4spd hydramatic in it...weighed 4170 then...still over 4000, i'd say... I love your '62 Chevy...awesome!

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Got any engine shots of this Poncho...

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...9&d=1333505464

Well that's not quite true...sure some of the larger Mopar topics are long, thats because of the handful of Mopar guys that keep them going...there are several GM & Ford topics posted but they seem to drop by the wayside after only a few reply's, maybe if you guys kept them going or started new topics that wouldn't happen...I know I try to contribute to most threads in there if I have anything related to post in it...just sayin'. ;)

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Brent, are you Pontiac guys like us Ford guys and all know each other? I deliver to a guy named Gene Gabbard that has a Super Duty looking Catalina? I think and a Ventura that looks like a stocker. They run at Muncie also. They live down the road from the Mckinney's. All are nice Pontiacs. Dig your cars by the way.

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Love that Pontiac.

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Thanks Frank!

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Yeah, Tommy, i know Gene and all the rest of the Gabbard's , and im good friends of Mike and Roy(RIP) Mckinney...have been since the early '80s... Gene's 62 is a Grand Prix(maroon) and runs in the 10's...havent seen the other car... thanks!

Will try to get an engine shot or 2 this weekend...

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Geez, Brent, that beast really does the 60 ft, hey ? !
Sounds like a great combination. Thank you for the comment on my old beater.

Mr. Moose, you may have something there.

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Any old 409 pictures out there "Mr. Moose?"
Danny Durham

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That Pontiac is a damn nice car and Brent is good peps too!!!


Kirkpatrick

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Sure Danny, start a new topic about them and I'll see what I can do...but for now here's another story on a '62 Pontiac Catalina.

http://dirtrcracing.lefora.com/compo...ge.JPG?thumb=1http://dirtrcracing.lefora.com/2011/...tiac-catalina/

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Here's another interesting old photo...

http://www.empgmc.com/race/knafel62.jpg

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I worked for a guy once that was a well known Pontiac tuning expert.

Stu Rogers....He was a patrner on Bill Izykowski's first B/S Biscayne and pretty much the man responsible for the cars performance.

He had a '62 Catalina convertible. It was a 4 speed 421 or 428. It was a street car and ran low 13's at the track when he raced it which wasn't often.

He bought a '62 Gand Prix and had it painted the same color green as Brents Firebird. It had no driveline.

We took the entire drivline out of the convertible and installed it in the Grand Prix in one day......Made a real nice steet car and that was around 1966.

We worked at Tony Feil's shop at the time and did a lot of work on fast street cars in the back......

Stu was quite a charachter.....but knew how to make Pontiacs run better than anyone.....

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Yea..it 60 fts pretty good... i had a good friend/chassis guy do some work to the housing and upper control arms, and my brother boxed the lowers completely.... and along with the greasable alum bushings(with steel sleeves), it works like a charm. Gonna do some work like this to my '72 Lemans Wagon... wanting to put the big Hoghead rear in it, but, money too tight to get it
done this year...

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This is a cool pic... ive thought about doin' the car up like an old one from the early 60's(like this one)... too bad its a convertible... i have yet to find the right car to immulate... any suggestions? Lookin for a black '62 Class car from the '60s that was a heavy hitter...

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THanks Mr Kirkpatrick! Ryan, I presume...hehe Hope to see you at Muncie this Saturday...i will be in the '62... i have a few things to do to my 'Bird before
it sees the track ... one of which is slicks.... but i have this weird brake thing to work out... I completely rebuilt front drum brakes(rubber lines too), new master cylinder, and the brakes are still spongy and hard to do a burnout(line lock not holding well)...so its either air in the lines, or the line lock has some sort of problem. I have a spare line lock, so, i will try that first chance it get... Hi to your Dad and brother!

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Are you looking for another Pontiac or any old car from the 60's to do up...why not letter up the one you have now with some graphics & give it a nasty name...it sure would look cool.

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thought about callin' it "Stormbringer"...too bad its not a Tempest!

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There was a Pontiac salesman from England, Arkansas, named Charlie Micthell, who ran a string of high-performance full-size Pontiacs in the late-'50s/early '60s. His cars were always REAL fast. But the one that always stood out in mt mind was a '61 Ventura with a Tri-Power 389 that had some sort of dealer-installed, solid-lifter package that was rated at 363 horsepower. It's not in the classification guide right now (and I'm not 100% sure if it ever was) but that car ran within 2-tenths of his later, 1962, 410hp 421, which had a lot more carburetion (two 4's.) I seem to remember that it had an aluminum intake manifold.
Could be wrong about that; it was 50 years ago...

I just wondered if any of you Pontiac guys have ever tried to get that specific engine approved for Stock Eliminator, or at least, Super Stock?

Or, would parts for that very special motor just be too hard to find?

Charlie was REALLY hard to beat when he had that car...

Thanks for any information!

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The 363 was in at one time about the same time Cheby released the 61 409 as I remember the cam was the McKealer 8 or 9

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Well if you find an old Tempest paint it black as well and you can call it the "Storm Trooper" just like Ted Nugents old song...

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McKeller cams were over the counter or dealer installed options.
Pontiac had HP ratings for them going back into the 50's.
They were solid lifter cams and pretty hot for the era.
Cam, lifters and springs got changed
All the non production line combos were knocked out in 1968 or there abouts.....
There was a number of those cams and they were designated by numbers as Ralph said.....I think there was about 3 different grinds that were legal at one time.
Pontiac labeled their real high perf. engines with a T designation....Like in Trophy.....

T-395
T425

They had some real nice cast exhaust manifolds and I tried to buy them for my '58 Pontiac street car......Much less restrictive form std and bigger......Never could get it from my local Pontiac dealer by the mid 60's so I worked with what I had.....

I was hooked on Pontiacs in my teenage years.....GTO's were too new for my budget so something from the 50's was what I had to stay with

My '58 Pontiac was driven to the track and ran in the 14's.
Stock shortblock.

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I believe this is Roy Dean, from Ohio, in a 421 stick car. Good grief, these were neat automobiles!

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...7&d=1266170385

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There were a lot of McKeller cams in production as he was the # 1 cam designer at
Pontiac as I have been told he also did some corporate designs from time to time.

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some engine pics...its not a show car:) will try to get some bird engine pics tomorrow eve...thanks!
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Thanks for that, Ralph. If it was in the Classification guide at one time, I don't understand how it got deleted from the book. Can anyone here explain how that happens?

That car was not a lightweight package, but it was really fast, for the time. I don't know if the heads were different (from the 425-A, 348hp heads) but I do remember that it said "prepared by Ray Nichels Engineering" (A NASCAR guy, at the time) on the front fender. That was a last-gasp efort from the 389 (before the 421 was realeased.)

I just thought with all the interest in nostalgia racing nowadays, this would be a good candidate, if it were a legal combination for Stock Eliminator, since it was so formidible, back in the day... It won a lot of races, and was just gorgeous!

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http://www.classracer.com/classforum...7&d=1333709927

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...6&d=1333709823

Just curious but are these actual photos of the car tinkered with somehow, what is this term called in the photography circle or how do they do that...

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Stormbringer- Deep Purple- Richie Blackmore-Fender Stratocaster. Whew......

Great looking car. Real cars have chrome bumpers!!!!!