225 stock eliminator help
 

Picked up a '63 Dart w/225. I thought that the 273/2 was avaiable for the Dart No such luck.The 225 has under 50K (documented). @ 2606 lbs. and 135HP this puts the Dart @T or U/SA. Is this a low budget racer? Does anyone have any direction , help or parts for this new set up? Thanks

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Not a very good combo for stock, I doubt it would run the index. Sorry.

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Phillip,

the biggest problem with a low powered combination is running the dial consistently. You have a small carb, small head and the performance will vary greatly with changing conditions. And per the above post, may not even run the index.

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Well, let's compare it to my 230 Chevy, it's got a bigger cam, better head, better intake, I don't know about the size of the carb but my venturi/ throttle bore are 1.313/1.686. It has a much longer stroke but it's not going to see a lot of RPM anyway, maybe 5500 to 5700 tops. It uses a torqueflite vs. my powerglide ( I had my 'glide so right that I never tried a 200 turbo) and it would weigh 200 lbs less than my Nova at U weight. I've gone 14.0s and teens in U in good air so I think that your Dart could be a bit better than an index runner.
As far as being consistant, little motors need to be paid more attention as to temps, weather and wind than big motored cars but they can work just fine.

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House of Darts, You mite get a hold of Mike Jeffrey, stock # one qualify at Topeka points meet with his 1980 Dodge Diplomat V/SA slant 6, -.990 under the index. 1980 motor mite be a little different than the 1964 slant 6. Tom

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80 car has 2bbl carb. Different animal.

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The 1980 is a 2 barrel set up. It will run the index just fine, Mike and I can run 1 second under, Most guy's are 40-50 under without the trick stuff.
The 3 tenths index change killed the 1 barrel combos. I'd have to go look at my old time slips but I think I was only good for about 20-30 under way back when I ran the 1 barrel.
When it's all said and done Marks mustang is the killer in this class and probably will be for a long time.

P.S If anybody want's to run the 2 barrel combo my engine is for sale. The old wagon has a 360 now.

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What's in Marks mustang? 2.3L isn't it?
How far under has he run?

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2.3 turbo. He has the record at 1.25 under and I'm sure he'll admit to being able to go a bit better than that, Or maybe not, LOL

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what years of dodge/plymouth used the 225 2 barrel setup?

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Buy Phil's Slant Six and run it as an SS/GT car...maybe get a fancy intake manifold somewhere. You could probably still run the original 7 1/4" rear end!

Chris Barnes
Wagons of Steel
Stock 6621

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Or if he just wanted to burn through wheelbarrows full of money he could build a SS/GT car with a Hyper-Pack in it.

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I think you have to run an 8 cylinder in the GT classes. If not you could fly with an SRT4 motor turned sideways (normal to you, sideways to me)

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I like your idea Art,
What if I left it sideways (normal to you)?

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Which brings up an interesting issue. Will we see more class availability to race 6 and 4 cylinder engines in the near future, since that is the majority of the engines being produced. Imagine a Ford Ecoboost 6-cylinder for IHRA CM.

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Back in the late 60's and early 70's I remember a Carter 2bbl being a fairly common factory built 225 6 cyl combo used in New York City taxicabs.

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Why would you lock yourself in to absolutly no traction helpers (other than weight) A final (rear end) drive ratio under 4,0. And the biggest slick you could put on the cars would be 9 x 26.
There is a lot of negatives to a FWD car.

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Are you on DRUGS or did you just fall on your head when you got up this morning......LOL.

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Just to be different Art, LOL. People think my old wagon sounds funny now, They wouldn't know what to think if it had a 4 cyl turbo screamin in the water box with smoke pouring off the front tires.

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I believe the 2V was '77 to last year of slant production - '87.

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Chris,

I raced a 225, 4sp Valiant in 1964.....bone stock, I broke 5ea 7 3/4's in one year.......8 3/4 is the only way to go.

PS. never lost a street race to another 6cyl the entire I owned it.

JimR

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if you want to run under the modern index with a stick, the 8 3/4 will never last either. besides that all the ring gear selections you need are obsolete.

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Jeeeez, whaddaya gotta run - a Dana ???

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If it hooks hard enough that you need a Dana 60 the cranks will start to break at the rear flywheel flange. The motor will still run, the car just wont move. I went thru that with an H/G Anglia with a slant 6 back in the early 70s, broke 3 of them.

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The 8 3/4 wont live behind a 273 2 bbl, so i dont see how it will live behind a 225. I have these combinations in cars (both A and B body) running right now so I am telling you from life experience with current cars not hypotheticals. The 5.38 and up ring gears are obsolete from good manufacturers. If you stick with an automatic (no pun intended) you wont have any problems. If you want an index car you may be able to get away with cutting the corners.

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Is there some way to medicate Slantsixitis?

Chris Barnes
Wagons of Steel
Stock 6621

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Yes Chris there is. $800.00 . 6 passes. 1. 15.65, 2. 15.42, 3. 15.32, 4. 15.75, 4. 15.30, 5. 15.15, 6. 14.98, 7. 1 broken crank. The webMD diagnosis... a V8.

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Well that proves it, They always run best right before they blow up.

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Just curious, where did the crank break, not the track the place on the crank ?

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They usually break at the flange or kick no. 6 rod out.....at least that's where mine always failed.

JimR

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It broke at the flange. Look @ my new website slantsixboatanchors.com.

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Its a joke

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I admit I don't understand the how, why or the politics of how certain car combos get factored. With NHRA weight to horse power ratios used to make it possible for various car models, makes, and engine choices to "even the playing field" or to be able to at least run under an index some what. Why are some makes so softly factored that they can bomb the index by a second or more right out of the box. And then you have some combinations as mentioned earlier in this thread that couldn't run the index with a 75 mph tail wind? Why doesn't NHRA remove some of the HP ratings to allow some of these combos to at least run the index?

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I would guess it goes back to the car manufacturers.They used to ,and still do
rate their engines based on:
Insurance rates -low
pissing contests with other manufacturers-high
sales-bread and butter cars rated higher than competition

I don't know how out of whack the HP factors were years ago but a blind,deaf mute knows these new cars,even with the hits they've taken are still well underfactored.

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Was that the first crank that you had broken ? If it was Im sorry I predicted your future. Id have never believed a stocker motor would break one to be honest. It must leave pretty hard, but there are times when not enough power is as bad as too much. Whats the future, continue to run it with an after market crank or what ? I tried 170s with the same result too, but never broke an 8 3/4 rear