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IanM 08-03-2011 03:16 PM

1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
I'm new to the forum. I have a 1972 mustang cj that I'm working on and would like an opinion as to whether this car would work in pure stock.
Thanks,
IanM

Bobby Zlatkin 08-04-2011 04:44 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Yes, that could be made into a good IHRA pure stocker. Would probably run C or D pure stock.

But, you would be restricted to IHRA only until you really got serious and were willing to spend to bucks to become a real stocker. Then you could run both IHRA & NHRA. Would probably run E or F stock.

I am assuming your CJ is a 351 Clevland.

IanM 08-04-2011 08:29 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
This is the low compression cleveland 351 cj. Does anyone run this combo in either stock or pure stock?

Bobby Zlatkin 08-04-2011 12:35 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Two running stock that I can think of off the top of my head are Tex Miller & Gary
Glazner (sp?). Both have been running the same combo for many years.

Bill Harris 08-04-2011 04:40 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Is your engine the factory rated 266HP or 275?

There are several guys that are running various 351C combos in stock. Garry Glazener in Div 2 has beat on this combo for years. Also Bill McClister in Div 4 has run this combo and has gone a second under this year. Nitro Joes stats also show Steve Kathary in Div 7 running this engine. All of these are in E/SA although Garry runs his in F/SA occasionally too.

I think Tex Miller used to run his Mustang as a '72 with this engine, but it is listed as a '71 recently, but still with the 351C. He has also beat on this combo for a long time.

Note that this engine has been hit with a lot of HP over the years. The 266HP engine is now at 328Hp with an automatic, 319 with a stick. The 275 engine is rated at 325 for the automatic and 330Hp with a stick. It is interesting that the 275/325 engine with an additional point of compression and a bigger, mechanical cam is rated lower than the 266/328 for automatics.

Dave Turner 08-04-2011 05:51 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Harris (Post 273073)
It is interesting that the 275/325 engine with an additional point of compression and a bigger, mechanical cam is rated lower than the 266/328 for automatics.

.....and as a result, it is the version favored by most.

IanM 08-05-2011 09:22 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
The car is the 266HP with and auto therefore factored at 328HP.
I'm wondering if this is now over rated and therefore not going to be competitve. If other class racer are converting from 72' to 71' or running
this an HO, maybe I need more information before I continue?

Mike Graham 08-05-2011 09:55 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
You might want to consider converting it to a 73 cj. By far the softest combination.
Bumper and grill for the car. Heads (D3-aa),intake and carb. The spreadbore is a little tricky
at first.but it works.

Bill Harris 08-05-2011 10:03 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Since McClister has it going a second under, it surely is competitive! I would think the issue with going to the 275HP from your 266 would be finding the heads. They are probably pretty rare, especially ones that haven't been messed with making them illegal for stock (ported).

It appears the 71 280hp engine is identical to the 72 266, and they both have the 328hp NHRA factor.

It looks to me like the best 351C combo might be the '71 285/305 which is the high compression 4V. Same heads as the Boss 351 but with an unusually small cam. That is probably the reason the HP is so low for it.

If you want to run your car as a '71 and not have to deal with the hard to find and expensive 351C stuff, put a 429 in it. I have everything you would need if your interested. There is a lot of potential in that combo and only Vic Guilmino has really tried to tap it.

Dave Turner 08-05-2011 10:04 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Also, be mindful of the carb & intake restriction in Pure Stock. You will need to be happy with the Autolite carb and cast iron intake. A Stocker benefits from the optional Holley/aluminum intake swap.

Good luck Ian!!

X-TECH MAN 08-05-2011 10:32 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Turner (Post 273213)
Also, be mindful of the carb & intake restriction in Pure Stock. You will need to be happy with the Autolite carb and cast iron intake. A Stocker benefits from the optional Holley/aluminum intake swap.

Good luck Ian!!

The Holley and alum intake that is legal on the stockers is legal in pure stock also.

Dave Turner 08-05-2011 11:36 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 273219)
The Holley and alum intake that is legal on the stockers is legal in pure stock also.

I did not know that....thanks Terry!!

X-TECH MAN 08-05-2011 12:09 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Turner (Post 273229)
I did not know that....thanks Terry!!

Your Welcome.....Its been legal since they were allowed many years ago in the 70's. Robert Imbody from Ohio won several pure stock races back in the mid 70's while using them. They origially came on the Pantera. I think NHRA allowed the parts back in around 73-74 era and IHRA went along with them.

Hans Olsson 08-05-2011 01:00 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 273219)
The Holley and alum intake that is legal on the stockers is legal in pure stock also.

What years in NHRA stock are they legal for? All 4V clevelands?

Hans Olsson 08-05-2011 01:04 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bill Harris (Post 273211)
Since McClister has it going a second under, it surely is competitive! I would think the issue with going to the 275HP from your 266 would be finding the heads. They are probably pretty rare, especially ones that haven't been messed with making them illegal for stock (ported).

It appears the 71 280hp engine is identical to the 72 266, and they both have the 328hp NHRA factor.

It looks to me like the best 351C combo might be the '71 285/305 which is the high compression 4V. Same heads as the Boss 351 but with an unusually small cam. That is probably the reason the HP is so low for it.

If you want to run your car as a '71 and not have to deal with the hard to find and expensive 351C stuff, put a 429 in it. I have everything you would need if your interested. There is a lot of potential in that combo and only Vic Guilmino has really tried to tap it.

Heads from a 266 or 280 (D1ZE-DA) are legal to use on a 275 hp.

IanM 08-05-2011 04:38 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Thanks for the information. I didn't know that the Holley and alum intake were legal for pure stock.
If there is anything else you can add it would be greatly appreciated.
IanM

X-TECH MAN 08-05-2011 05:05 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hans olsson (Post 273241)
what years in nhra stock are they legal for? All 4v clevelands?

71-72

Hans Olsson 08-06-2011 07:42 AM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 273294)
71-72

Thanks Terry.

IanM 08-11-2011 02:17 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
Can anyone recommend a good engine builder in Ontario?
IanM

Dave Turner 08-11-2011 06:17 PM

Re: 1972 Mustang CJ pure
 
You have a PM Ian.


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