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No stock or SS at Pittsburgh nitro jam race.... that sucks (only ET and juniors).
What a slap in the face.

.... and some were squaking about NHRA's class schedule????

here's the link....

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...19977#indextop

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wow no stock or superstock great well we were going to that race not anymore lost customers real smart

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Tuscon and rocky mountain are the other nitro jam events without SS or Stock.

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every time i think IHRA is moving in the right direction something like this happens. Oh well, still going to run as much IHRA as I can this year

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Ouch.... I could possibly see not having S/SS at Tucson and Rocky Mountain if there are few cars in those divisions or venues (I have no idea whats happening out that way, I'm from the Midwest), but no S/SS at PITTSBURGH??? I'm really stretching to find the justification here....

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Yeah.....The management isnt to smart ! Dumb aZZes

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Could pit space be a possible reason?
I was only there once several years and don't recall if they have the space. There was talk a while back of making more room and a "national" event, but don't know if they did expand any. Otherwise, I was surprised as was a friend who lives in Pittsburgh.

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Plenty of pit area on the left side. So that's not it:confused:

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I'm curious how they can run a IHRA event at a NHRA track in Tucson. Ashcroft in BC announced a AHRA event last year when they were still a NHRA track and lost their NHRA sanction.

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Thomas,

Everytime IHRA has a chance to hit a home run, they always end up Striking Out ... Who is making all these bad calls & why ?
Come on guys , I thought you were for sportsmen racing ???

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Pittsburgh knows that they can pack the place with ET racers and Jr's. The regulars will also bring more spectators/fans with them that would not normally come to the races. If they have the rest of the classes, alot of the weekly regulars/local folks would stay away and thus their friends "aka paying fans" would be absent. just my opinion. Happy New Year.

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that's a piss poor excuse and its one step closer to making the Nitro Jams a traveling "pro only" side show using a regular bracket program as filler.

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Bullseye! Local Tech can handle everything but thr Pro's.

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Guys,

The reason for no Stock or Super stock at those events is simply this, there were only 5 total S/SS cars in Utah last season and very very low counts at the other events. If you guys can help make the car counts better at those events I am sure they would accommodate. Send Scooter at the IHRA an e-mail and see what can be done. Even my home track which is the IHRA's only 3 days show and we only get about a dozen of each (S/SS).

Just my 2 pennies

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After racing the event in Salt Lake this past year and receiving the news about the cancellation of the the of sportsman classes at certain events I chose to write Skooter an email...here is a copy:

"I have to say that I spoke with a few of my fellow competitors that were planning on crossing over to race IHRA at a few selected events, from NHRA were disappointed to learn that Salt Lake lost all of the Sportsman Classes, other than Top Dragster and Sportsman, for their National Event you have scheduled in 2011. I realize that IHRA had low participation at the 2010 event but based on how it was promoted by both RMR and IHRA for those categories, a NHRA Divisional Event in Denver, major local event in Boise and PSCA event in Las Vegas all the same weekend it's no wonder you only had 10-15 cars show up in those classes.

I really think that if you are truly the organization for the sportsman racer you should at least give us one more chance. If you are trying to build up some interest in the west then how can you do that we you don't feature all of the sportsman classesat your showcase National Event? I know that half of the competitors that did attend the event traveled from over 300 miles to race. I think we deserve another chance...if it's the money you're worried about cut the purse in half.

Just my $.02 worth..."

Tom Albritton
SS/DM 7210

Here is his response:

"My .02 went into trying to do a full class race last year....

Bottom line is that we did a race in year 1 with the locals, then put up our $$ in year 2 doing a class event. That move and lack of support cost in the ballpark of $80k and it isn't the purse. No cars means no round money so that wasn't the issue. The issue is the expense of doing it. Staff, insurance, travel, salaries, equipment, etc. vs. doing it with the local cars and only bringing in 4-5 people.

There are only so many date options for us, especially since we basically have to do it back to back with Edmonton to make financial sense out of it. I can't count on people that were planning on coming. I have to budget realistically and can only measure the event based on what actually happened. I also have no interest in burning that money as we have a lot of opportunities but limited resources so the chances we take have to make some kind of sense. The car count would have to improve 200 cars or more to make sense. Knowing Denver had 300 sportsman cars and that was the measuring stick, I just don't see how it can work for us.

We are keeping TS and TD in the mix since those classes had a decent turnout. I also spoke with Ron @ RMR and we agreed that if there was interest in a class, that I would be more than willing to try it again if there were at least 32 racers that would pre-register for it. We would set a deadline on it so that if we didn't reach the number we could let racers know in plenty of time.

I'm all for trying it, but I can't burn a pile of money again and hope we get the support or racers pissed off at NHRA now that they hammered the sportsman racers again. I want to be able to keep doing events at RMR but the ownership of RMR and Feld will pull the plug in a heartbeat if we light a pile of money on fire again.

So if there are serious class racers that want another shot, the registration window will be opening soon.

Skooter"

Let me just say that I don't believe it takes even 1 more staff member to accomodate those additional sportsman classes. When I inquired prior to the '10 event in Salt Lake one of their "selling points" vs. NHRA was no pre-entry into an event...just show up and pay at the gate. So if it isn't about the $money$ then why does he act like it's about the MONEY..

just my additional $.02 worth...

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If your running a business, it has to be about the money. His response made sense to me.

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Then why say it's not about the money when we all know it is? I guess you had to be at the event last year to really understand my point and position on giving it another try.

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And the pay at the gate is a two edged sword.You keep your money to the last minute,but at thr same time the org. has no idea how many cars will attend.Paying ahead of time benefits everyone more than hurts.

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What really makes no sense is North Carolina. A few years back IHRA published 75% of it's members lived within 300 miles of Greensboro, NC.

Closest Nitro Jam for me:
Pittsburgh-600 miles
Baton Rouge-900 miles
West Palm-????????
Martin -900 miles

But we do have 2 sportsman spectacular races VMP-200 miles, MIR-300 miles
Several divisional races too but NO DOUBLES in div 9.

I will keep going to the races close by but can't travel to these others unless payout grows a bunch.
Chip

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This excuse may fly for your Utah race but not for pittsburgh... we get just as many cars here as all the other east coast races get.... doesn't make a bit of sense.

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Welcome to IHRA for 2011.

Like it or not, it sounds like IHRA has accepted the fact that Stock and S/S for them is a losing proposition at their big shows. Local et and juniors are all they think they need for fill-in between rounds of the Pros. I doubt the paid spectators who come to see the Pros will notice the difference.

PS. You had better believe NHRA will be watching to see if this idea does work.

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The new wave will basically be:
Nitro
T/S-T/D
Bracket
Jr.-maybe

Come in with a 4-6 hour show each day and be done.
Low cost
Entertaining
It has worked for the Monster Trucks for years.
Not much difference than the ThunderJam stuff either.
Pinks,Super Chevy,Fun Ford, all those use the same format. Low cost, Short TIME entertainment.
Spectators are tired of watching the tractors clean up oil.

The Sportsman will have their on seperate races like the divisionals. I mean face it guys we pay our own way at most races anyhow.

If this works for IHRA you'll bet NHRA will do it to. After all they take all IHRA ideas anyway.

My 2 Cents worth
Chip

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Thats how I feel Tom. I was shocked when I saw the class schedule. I was hoping to go to my first Nitro Jam and run TS.........oh well. There are no eastcoast NHRA events that weekend. I think alot of class racers would have attended this event. You cant compare Utah to Pa. as far as "amount of available class racers in the area".

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The weird part is that IHRA seems to be investing in sportsman racing in most other aspects aside from this. I would say this to skooter " in order to see a return on investment, you have to stick with the investment long enough for it to pay off."

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For years NHRA has been angling for a way to dump sportsman classes from its national event schedule. We're going to be replaced with jet cars, wheelstanders, frisbee fetching dogs, and overcaffinated teenagers throwing cheap crap into the grandstands. Everytime the schedule gets fouled up, we take it in the neck. Everytime the pros need more paved pit area to set up their dog and pony show, we end up in the mud. The selective elimination of sportsman eliminators at national events is just the beginning. I wish they'd just run us early, finish Saturday night and be done with it. I hoped the IHRA might be an alternetive, but things seem to be fading fast.

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Dago,
If you are in Fort Worth you have San Antonio and Baton Rouge. Thats more than the rest of us.
Of course Texas has more IHRA tracks than any other state now.
Chip

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Actually, at the rest of the IHRA Nitro Jams, that is basically how they do it. Depending on the schedule - Fri./Sat. or Sat./Sun., qualifying is on the first day till the afternoon or so with no interference from the Pro show. The next day is qualifying and/or eliminations, again, till later in the afternoon with no Pro's to cause us any delays.

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NF&MRA will not be allowed to dump Stock and Super Stock as long as the dollars are flowing.

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Bob, Ashcroft did run under the AHRA for 2010, but that turned out to be quite a flop, so at the end of the season, Ashcroft, Prince George, & I believe Kelowna, all switched to IHRA for 2011. However, I think all 3 tracks are going to run basically a bracket program, with no divisional meets that would include Stock & S/S, like a NHRA LODRS race, or National Open do. I guess we will see you at Mission in May then, Eh?

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The plan is to be at Mission.

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Polburn and Peaco

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that looks like it what they are going to do. The same as the monster truck thunder jam. I don't think any of us like it, but the stone is gathering momentum.

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And THEY are the major problem.....Fire them both and bring back Bill Bader before its to late !

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Bill Bader does not need the headache of IHRA. His fortune has been made at Norwalk. Now that he is a serious player in the NHRA game, why would he even consider taking a step backward?

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You all are forgetting that there are other players in this scheduling game at these tracks, i.e. the Owners. The Tadesco Brothers at Pittsburgh have been saying for the last five years that they were expanding their facility to accomodate a National event...moving the starting line back 300 ft. and removing the "humps & bumps" in the shutdown area of the track, etc. They have been working on updating the facility, but have not yet acheived the goal of having the capacity to host a National. They probably conceeded in the negotiations to have only ET's & Jrs. in order to get the Pros for the "Nitro Jam". I personally don't think they have the staff and experience to handle an event featuring all seven classes in a National event. Until they make good on the purported (expensive) upgrades, they will remain an "Division Level" track.

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Scooter I think we need to hear from you on Pittsburgh no stock/super stock.

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Roger, I'm sure you've been down that track many more times than I have. My only experience at Pittsburgh was last year's IHRA ProAm event and I left with an extremely favorable opinion of their level of efficiency. Given an enhanced IHRA staff presence to handle the pro categories, It would seem manageable?........could have done without the "boulders" at the portable scales.

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I still think that by the time you pay for a booked in show, if you don't have enough spectators, you can't cover the payout for qll the other classes by the time you pay IHRA's expenses.

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Dave

E and F/SA mustang ?????????????

Tell me more, is the inline 6 in a garden tractor or what.

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I heard the PRP Nitro Jam is going to be run on the 1/8th mile.