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From Moroso - added outer ring on this degree wheel calculates the cam lobe centerline for you. No more math. Really slick

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Mike, how were the attendance numbers at the show this year?

and the attitude of those attending, looking forward into 2011?

Thanks!

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I like it! I went to their web site and no info is available at this time. Did you get a price?

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It seemed busier than last year and a couple of vendors I spoke with specifically said the same. Not sure if there were less vendors than last year but space could have been opened up if less trailer manufacturers showed up with less product. One side seemed to have an empty area against the wall. I was also told that PRI has a contract for several more years. Can't beat the weather!

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I found the numbers of displays and people checking things out were down. The show was smaller than the ones I attended in years past. It was still a good show and the attitudes of everyone was up beat. Maybe it was the economy or because of a show I heard about at INDY just a week or so prior to the PRI show ?

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Talked with MOSER ,HOOSIER , MILODON at the show and all were very pleased . Maybe with the downsize it actually helped. They also said the INDY show was good for them. They actually picked up bussiness from both shows because lots of people did not go to both. However they were worn out having back-to-back shows.I enjoyed the show and did get around a lot more than last year... I also heard that maybe one of the shows will change dates next year so they will not be on top of each other as originally planned. Alex D, I went by the CALVERT booth several times ,sorry i missed you. I am Ready to go racing now !!!! Can't wait././././././././.

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That new degree wheel won't be available until early in 2011. Expect a price about $135. Also - credit goes to Dave Vizard who actually came up w/ the design and Moroso exectued the product. I will be buying one.

Some comments on the 2 shows - IMIS and PRI. I worked both shows.

IMIS - I experienced Quality - not Quantity in the attendees. That made it possible to have some good discussions w/ Racers, customers, sanctioning bodies and tracks. The density of the crowd did not compare to PRI. We (Ford Racing) had the most interest in our circle track products. A number of colleagues in other businesses experienced the same. We will go back. Many of the attendees drove to the show - and Indy serves as a the perfect central location with a 3-7 hour drive for a large number of racers. Should the 2 shows continue w/ the plan to have their shows on the same dates, I believe IMIS will become a regional show. And given the slower pace - especially in the mornings - it made for some time for good B to B discussions that oftern get cut short.

PRI - Yes - smaller than last year. The curtain that serves as the back wall moved closer to the front door again this year. Strong crowds - we were jammed from opening past close. Good quality of business discussions that seem to indicate it will be a good year for the racing business. BTW - my Circle Track products were stationed next to the CJ Roller - and it was swamped all 3 days. Lots of positive comments including a number of admitted GM loyalists who said they really liked what Ford Racing was doing by building things like the CJ Roller. They all had a big smile on their face and shook their head - almost in disbelief.

But it's pretty simple - all of us at Ford Racing "get it".

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Are you one of the weasels that came up with and submited to NHRA those bogus hp numbers that are causing problems for so many of us?? Or was that someone else?

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no, the rest of us class racers "get it", because you slipped some obviously bull**** horsepower numbers past NHRA, wonder how many dually's and Gt500's that cost ya?

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Chad,
I believe that Mike is the manager of the short track oval program and would not have much to do with the Cobra Jets.
thanks, Roland

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Rawhide, How many NHRA division director`s got a new 2011 ford taurus, Division 5 got one. Tom

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a taurus??? that will show you what NHRA thinks of the division directors. I would have at least expected an expedition or F-150

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Wow!!!
That's some hateful S**T right there...
This thread had nothing to do with HP Factoring and giving away duallies?

Thanks Mike for answering my request and giving us a little show insight.

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you=ford racing

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Chad, I guess you and some others would like a 'quit racing and hi performance' as GM did some years ago. The involvement of the manufacturers is what keeps racing in general moving along. Did you notice that the 'car of tomorrow' didn't really make any friends with Nascar, now the manufactureres are getting real bodies. I think a lot of the complaining is due to GM not in the mix yet. Just because GM isn't here yet, doesn't mean the Ford and Mopar guys are bastards. Do you really think without the manufacturers and vendors that the racing franchises could keep the electric car people, tree huggers, & other Democrats at bay? It would be a short run with a bad car as the Nascar folks say. Was it a manufacturer who built the 55 265 and started all this. It was other manufacturers that responded with the 390's, 406, 409, 413 and the muscle car era.
Without that you don't have a car. Complain all you want, if it offends you that bad, try fishing. I think it's great that Ford and Mopar sneak around the Detroit area tracks and test stuff, and it's even better when we got a spy. GM will be back I believe as they got rid of some of the democrats with the IPO, maybe enough for a special Camaro. Course they yall would have to get mad at Toyota.

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Jeff, I've said this a million times. I think the factory involvement is great. They should help support all of the racers who are loyal to them. I don't think that turning loose a bunch of axe murderers on the rest of the class is a good way to do that. If they had built the package cars with current production motors, with their showroom factors ( have to give ford credit, they did use the GT500 motor albeit with a bogus factor) but just more race ready and with a lighter weight I don't think anyone would have a problem with that at all. They would probably still have sold just as many and it would have had a positive effect. I do think the cars are cool, yours is really neat, and they should have a place to race. That place should be super stock. NHRA should also own up to the fact that they screwed the pooch on the HP factors and put an appropriate factor on them, not botch the AHFS so that is screws everyone. This deal is such a fiasco, and there isn't even an attempt by NHRA to make it look lie they weren't bought off.

****once again, i have nothing against anyone who races one of these cars. This is purely about the factories and NHRA*******

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I think the new cars are great. Just obscenely under rated. That was not nessecary. The low life weasels at Ford and Chrysler that pulled those bogus hp ratings out of their rears and submited them to NHRA are the original problems. That "let's screw the others over" kind of mentality is one thing wrong with big business right now. Not having new cars racing. The straight up racers will run them hard enough to get the hp hits they deserve. The guys that were slow before and are suddenly well under the indexes will just think they are fast now, and that their last car was over rated is the reason they were slow. They will think everything is OK now and try to protect the ratings instead of taking the hits.
If GM tried to do anything they would screw it up anyway.

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Low life weasels? :confused:
A bit harsh don't you think?

Based on your assesment I guess they were probably tutored by Arlen Fadely and Fred Simmons right Ed?
Two of the original modern day "low life weasels" doling out fictitious horsepower numbers, wouldn't you agree.
Why all of this unnecessary name calling?
As Jeff Teuton said in his post, this has been going on since 1955.
I for one am thankful for Ford and Mopar taking a proactive invlovement with NHRA/IHRA class racing just as GM did for so many years previous.
FYI
The Ford Racing booth at PRI had to be one of the most visited of all the displays that did not offer any half naked women models. ;)

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I don't think it is too harsh. Name another combo as badly under rated as this new stuff.
Name a group of engines like this as under rated as this new stuff.

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My dad has been to PRI every year since it started, I have been probably 10 times. This year they moved the left wall in by 25 feet or so and did shorten the room in the back but did a great job filling the space so you really wouldn't notice. I was there Thursday and Friday and the Vendors I talked to were suprised by the positive turnout. My dad was at IMIS and it was more round track,sprint car related there is a place for both shows however you are asking alot out of the manufacturers to do 3 shows in 6 weeks counting SEMA, something has to give as they cant keep spending that kind of money.
As far as the race programs I wish you guys that bitch all the time would get a life, we have heard you complain over and over and we are tired of it. My son will be in a stocker next year and in 2012, we wont have a challenger or mustang, actually we will have less than 20K in the car turn key and if he gets his *** handed to him heads up so what, we are the ones that decided to show up to a gun fight with a knife. We wont be more than .50 under in F-G-H class car. When you cant outrun the fast older cars in the class you have NO BUSINESS complaining about the newer stuff. Now if you have the fastest older car in the class and you get your *** handed to you by an underfactored newer car then you have a bitch, otherwise give it a break. I for one have never had a fast car and dont really care to spend the $$$ to get there, but you guys that are keyboarding it to death arent fast either when comparing apples to apples.

At the end of the day I will continue racing with my boys as long as I can, its what we do, it keeps their grades all A's and its what my family does. My dad was lucky enough to do it for a living for years and when he was doing it he worked harder than anyone and rarely got outrun heads up. Figure out where you fit in and go for it, otherwise give the new car bitch a break.

Herb Jr

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2012 CJ has CJ specific slicks from Goodyear! It sounds like they are even branded as CJ slicks.
Despite all the yelling here, that in itself tells me the industry is excited about the offerings.
That one item tells me these new cars are a good thing to the sport. Maybe not to the racers, but definitely good to the sport.
Personally, I've resolved that this is what it is and will not change. I'm still looking forward to getting my AMX out of prison. The 5.7 DP in SS/J / JA will be in my SS/G-H-I class soon enough. I'd love to be the first one to put one on a trailer! :D

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Lots of Luck !!!!

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U.S. Nationals 2010
1 5508 DF/S Charles Blossom, Woodbury MN, '04 PT Cruis 13.774 15.60 -1.826

Not trying to start a fight but I would say that this thing is pretty far off......

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Yep, there is some bogus combo someone turns up once in a while, but not a whole new flock of race only stuff that is all that far off.

Jeff, by the time the SS/J SS/JA 5.9L migrates up to SS/G SS/GA it will be factored closer to where it belongs and you could possibly out run it. Right?

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That's always my goal! But first I have to get back on the track.
And guess I had that wrong, it's the 5.9L Magnum DP not the 5.7L Hemi that currently fits SS/J.
See, if I wait for another year, they'll be 500#'s heavier than my car ;)

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Right now that car gets to weigh 40lb less than me. If I could use those engine specs in my LT1 I would be fine with running them heads up.

Thing to do would build a car for a low enough class to not have to race them heads up, but a slower car wouldn't be much fun to drive. Low tens ain't much of a ride as it is.

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Patrick, Charles Blossom is to Stock with the odd turbo cars as Bob Dennis is to Super Stock with the Olds packages. He can usually run to the front with those packages as he usually has the only one. And I don't think any of that is going to change in Stock or Super Stock. The PT Cruiser Turbo Convertable that Blossom ran was nicer than my wife's which has only 17k miles and never sleeps out. And I don't care what system you have Bob and Charles and a couple others will always be out there.

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[QUOTE=Ed Wright;227517]Right now that car gets to weigh 40lb less than me. If I could use those engine specs in my LT1 I would be fine with running them heads up.

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And that statement pretty much sums it up!---- Probably the best post on this subject.

And just remember Ed, your car could be actually licenced and driven on the street with pump gas when new.

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I overheard a comment from one of the Mopar guys about Goodyear doing new slicks for the Challenger too. Probably the same ones.

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Oh I am not complaining about them at all, I enjoy seeing those guys at the track with the odd ball combos that no one wanted to build. If I recall I think Charles was even driving the PT out on the roads at Cordova when he set the record! I'd call that a true stocker! lol

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But now. Why BOTHER

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I remember when Firestone made Sox and Martin some front racing tires with the name "RONNIE SOX" in raised white letters back in the stone age for the 1970 or 71 'Cuda Pro Stocker. .

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If you dont have the fastest older combo in your class you have no reason to bitch about the new combos. I mean if you cant outrun the old stuff quit complaining about the new stuff. Read my post on page 2 if you want the whole explanation

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Bull. That's about the stupidest argument there is on all of this. Anyone who has a decent running older combination has a legitimate complaint.

Example: We race a 69 Camaro 427/425. Odds are, we'll never race DeArmond or Sorenson, because we run in Division 2, 3, and 4. But we win our share of heads up races and class races in our area. So neither of them are a factor for us, but several of the new cars ARE in the area where we race. So regardless of your B.S. opinion, yeah, we do have a legitimate complaint. Because we can usually run with most of the legitimate and reasonably factored combinations, at least close enough to make it a real race. But we can't run with the new cars, no matter what we do (at least within the rules).

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So what your telling me is your are the fastest older combo at any race you go to. I dont know if you guys realize it or not but stock and SS were on their way out, at least now there is something that has a new spark to possibly keep it around a little longer. SS racing has been good to my family for 45 years, it started in 1965 and my dad has lived a very good because and it all started SS racing in the 60's. But face the music guys, you are being replaced by Top Sportsman and Top Dragster, maybe if we can get chevy to build a car then keep the factories involved we may prolong the end of an era another 20 years or so. BUT I can promise you as a former track operator Stock and SS are so far off the screen in the big picture its not funny. Give them another year to take care of it, I mean you guys werent bitching when the LT1 came out, oh wait there was no message board back then.

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So what your saying is unless you have $100,000 to $200,000 to piss away there is no place for the little guy to race in a few years.

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So I have to ask did you guys biotching about Ford and Mopar do the same when the Buick Grand National came out with its BOGUS #'s???? or is this just bash anyone but GM???

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And what you're saying is that it's not like that already?

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I missed the PRI show this year so I check this post once in a while to see whats NEW pertaining to Stock eliminator. Seems that every post gets dragged down the same "dirt road" of bashing the new cars.

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Yeah.....so whats your point?