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W J 06-15-2010 09:56 AM

LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Can someone shed some light on this for me? Approx. how many '98 model year Camaro and/or Firebirds were built w/LT-1 350" motors? I was under the impression all produced were 346" LS-1 motored cars for the '98 model year and 1997 was the last model production year for the 350" LT-1, except for the Corvette, which got the LS-1 in '97......Or is this a NHRA-stocker-eligibility-only-thing? Maybe this was discussed before....if so, sorry, I missed it....Thanks in advance. :confused: WJ

Bobby Zlatkin 06-15-2010 10:53 AM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Doesn't make any difference.

If NHRA says both engines are eligble in '98, that how it be.

Bobby Brannon 06-15-2010 11:13 AM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
You can only race LT-1 in '98 model no LS-1 motor may race in '98 trim..

W J 06-15-2010 11:27 AM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobby Brannon (Post 192511)
You can only race LT-1 in '98 model no LS-1 motor may race in '98 trim..

That is something I surely did not know..........Never did see a factory '98 LT-1 on the street, but were a bunch of '98 LS-1 cars around here...Know after the LS-1 '98 cars, there were numerous computer/wire harness and other changes on the LS-1 come '99 model yr. Thanks, Bob. WJ

BlueOval Ralph 06-15-2010 11:50 AM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
ZERO it was a paper car



Quote:

Originally Posted by W J (Post 192494)
Can someone shed some light on this for me? Approx. how many '98 model year Camaro and/or Firebirds were built w/LT-1 350" motors? I was under the impression all produced were 346" LS-1 motored cars for the '98 model year and 1997 was the last model production year for the 350" LT-1, except for the Corvette, which got the LS-1 in '97......Or is this a NHRA-stocker-eligibility-only-thing? Maybe this was discussed before....if so, sorry, I missed it....Thanks in advance. :confused: WJ


Clay Arnett 06-15-2010 12:27 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Yup zero were actually made with LT1 engines in them. All were LS1's. It's been discussed here many times before.

W J 06-15-2010 01:52 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay Arnett (Post 192530)
Yup zero were actually made with LT1 engines in them. All were LS1's. It's been discussed here many times before.

Just did a search and found plenty of action on this stuff.....Seems it was a touchy subject for awhile....Kinda like hitting a bee's nest w/a baseball bat...:eek: wow. Thanks. :D WJ

Jeff Lee 06-15-2010 04:24 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
What I have never understood with all the controversy on this, is why, if you want to race a late LT-1, not call the car a 1997 Camaro / Firebird? Aren't the specs of a '97 & '98 F-Body LT-1 the same? And correct me once again but isn't a '97-'98 F-body indistinguishable?

Alan Roehrich 06-15-2010 04:43 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 192583)
What I have never understood with all the controversy on this, is why, if you want to race a late LT-1, not call the car a 1997 Camaro / Firebird? Aren't the specs of a '97 & '98 F-Body LT-1 the same? And correct me once again but isn't a '97-'98 F-body indistinguishable?

Jeff, the 97 Firebird has a single headlight setup, the 98 is has a dual headlight setup. They look a fair amount different.

Steve Williams 06-15-2010 04:56 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Camaro's and Firebird's are different between the two years. Alot different on the Camaro. LT-1's in 1998 should not have been allowed, it helps justify paper cars that did not ever roll off a production line, like some of the more recent new stockers.

Ed Wright 06-15-2010 05:08 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
It was a bogus deal, probably so GM would be able to win the Mfgr's cup thing again, they were furnishing NHRA's trucks, right?

Really makes no difference otherwise, they were no faster than the '93/'97 cars. No advantage at all, just gave guys running other brands something to cry about. The '98 front clip won't make one run any faster.

The Ford and Chrysler companys are the ones that may have come up short there, if they have anything new for 1998 that was being raced so they might have won that. Probably just a silly trophy anyway. I had just started to come back watch a few in '98, so don't know if they did or not.

W J 06-15-2010 05:10 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Alan, if I were to convert a '98 LS-1 Formula Firebird or Camaro to a LT-1 motored car, wouldn't the complete K-member, plus other front suspension pieces have to be changed to accomodate the LT-1? Also, do the LS-1 motored '98 cars have the motors set back farther than the LT-1, or??? Does NHRA check v.i.n.'s on these 1998 4th gens that are made into LT-1's, or are most people using '97 or older LT-1 or even V-6 cars, and making the small body trim and nose changes, in order to call them '98 model yr. cars? What works w/NHRA here, and what does not fly w/them? Thanks. WJ

Alan Roehrich 06-15-2010 05:19 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
I'm no absolute expert on the late model F body cars, I have friends that race them, I'm an old school guy. I can work on the late model cars, I'm sure I could build one from the ground up, but I'm far more comfortable with the old stuff.

You need to talk to someone like Bobby Brannon, Woodro Josey, or Painter Stevenson.

Ed Wright 06-15-2010 05:32 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
To put an LS1 in my '96 Trans Am I need the front K member and wiring harness. Then the front clip to make it look like a '98. Not sure if the fenders are different or not. I own both models, but have not look into the fenders. The backup light/tail light assemblies are different in a '96, but look the same as a '97. $100.00 each from the GM dealer.They have never checked a vin with any car I have ever raced.

W J 06-15-2010 05:37 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Thanks for the help, Ed and Alan.:)
Warren Lederer......WJ

Ed Wright 06-15-2010 06:08 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
If it's an SS car with motorplates, I doubt you would need the K member. Mine still has rubber mounts off the stock K member. Mine ain't very SS. :D

Jeff Lee 06-15-2010 11:55 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
See my point? Just change a few hundred dollars worth of parts and call your '98 a '97 if you want to run an LT-1. Junkyards are probably full of these cars by now. I know I see some pretty tattered 4th gen F-bodies on the street.

Ed Wright 06-16-2010 12:53 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Jeff's right. They are common and cheap.

Jack Matyas 06-16-2010 01:15 PM

Re: LT-1 vs.LS-1 1998 F-body Stocker question?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 192609)
To put an LS1 in my '96 Trans Am I need the front K member and wiring harness. Then the front clip to make it look like a '98. Not sure if the fenders are different or not. I own both models, but have not look into the fenders. The backup light/tail light assemblies are different in a '96, but look the same as a '97. $100.00 each from the GM dealer.They have never checked a vin with any car I have ever raced.

Ed - Don't need the K-member and wire harness -- do need all sheetmetal forward of the windshield including fenders - also - tailights etc --- VIN's don't matter ............


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