Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Took photos as we went along, hope you enjoy the show.
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Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

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http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0156.jpg
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0160.jpgEven caught Zac working
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0164.jpgPainted the underside and inside with a single stage urethane
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0165.jpgThat rollcage was the worst thing I've ever painted.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0176.jpgUnderhood ready for paint
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0179.jpg
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0184.jpgGuess who???
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http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0200.jpgLaying out the scheme after basecoat of blue

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

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http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0205.jpg Sprayed the gold first.
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0206.jpg Then covered it up.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0211.jpg Pearl white is next
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0212.jpg
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0213.jpgTangerine pinstripes outline the gold
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http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0217.jpg Sweet
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0218.jpg AAAHHH, finally clearcoated

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0219.jpg Unmasking this thing took about an hour and a half
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http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0225.jpg Applying the lettering,we do it inhouse as well
http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0226.jpg Details,Details!!!

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Nice work!!!!!!!!

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

http://i872.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/103_0229.jpg
The finished vehicle done, just waiting for Rich to pick it up.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

VERRY nice!!!!!!! Attention to detail!!!!!! That is what makes it special......

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

I was at Pat's shop when they were finishing Rich's new car in March. This is a really nice car. Pat and Andy do awesome work. Best engineered car this weekend at Indy with their own car.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

I don't think the floor between the trans tunnel and body are legal. See section 10.5 of the rule book on SS flooring.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Fred are you a tech man ?? do you build cars??and how can you tell from pics only ????? you have to see it . besides P K Race N Rods does build them to NHRA specs :p

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Car looks great! Fred is right per rule. However, Pat is a class act over there at PK. His flooring does look better than the original we are supposed to leave in there. I'm sure he knows what he's doing without question. Keep up the good work Pat!
Ernie

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Great looking car. I cannot believe I built my car according to the rule book...damn!



ss/em 161

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

According to Super Stock GT rules and the ref. 7.5 general rules there is absolutely nothing wrong with the way PK has done this floor.

Nice work Pat.

Davey Summa
Summa Performance

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

You might want to read the rule book a little closer....

7:5 FLOOR
All cars without floors must be equipped with floor pans made of
steel or aluminum that must extend the full length and width of the
driver compartment to the rear of the driver’s seat. Cars equipped
with floors or bellypans made of fiberglass or other breakable
material must have metal subfloors. In all cars with OEM fiberglass
floors, a crossmember (minimum 2 inches x 2 inches, .083-inch wall

FLOOR
Headers must fit under stock floor location. The stock framerails
from the firewall to the radiator support must retain stock
attachment configuration, stock location, and stock dimensions.
Frame may be notched for header clearance.
For FWD conversion cars, a driveshaft tunnel must be fabricated of
same-as-OEM material minimum and must be fully welded to the
as-built OEM floor. See General Regulations 7:5.

General Regulations 7:5 for Superstock Eliminator cars references the rear suspension information when relocating and installing new wheel tubs, frame, etc.

I think you build cars, so you might want to read the rule book a little closer. The floor, within the drivers compartment, must remain stock with the exception of the transmission tunnel and from the driver/passenger seat rearward.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Looks like Fred is correct on this one. I too wondered about the floor when I first saw the pictures. Anyone care to notify NHRA before this car gets to race. Its time we put a stop to cars being built anyway the builder interprets the rules. Or maybe they will just cave and change the rules.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Travis?
Bruce?
Bob?
anybody out there?

When we built our '57 with almost all original flooring, Bruce laid under the thing for an hour in Denver, taking multiple pictures, first he said he liked it, then he wasn't sure, then we brought it back for more "looking", we even got an official letter of mandatory changes necessary. Finally we made some very minor changes where the dog house came down, about 36 sq inches per side. Our chassis guy said it was less original than his first design, but we complied.

Here, we seem to have a difference of opinion on legaility, howz about a NHRA tech guy chiming in?

I'm sick of comp cars w/SS on the window

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Looks like the photo/s of the shiny smooth "belly pans" has disappeared.... musta shown too much information for the general public.... I really though this was comp car too!

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Pat and Andys car that won Best Engineered last weekend was it built the same as Richs new car.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

The car is beautiful and nicely done. But, I have to agree with Randal and Fred on this. I to thought it was a comp car! I thought there had to be a resemblance of stock frame rails in the front? I know relocated for the engine and thus requires the aftermarket strut and tubular A-frame. But, it is a complete round tube chassis from front to rear!! If that is a rule that has been going on for years than I am sorry, I will stand corrected, we race a "old" super stocker that is not even allowed tubular a-frames. I know you choose your weapon but there is no compairison with these front wheel drive conversions. With that being said it is just my thoughts on this. I remember a couple yrs ago when we brought my fathers new "old" car out we have not even put the class numbers and letters on the windows yet, (they were in the front seat). We caught it in the tech lanes because of the letters!! They told us we better not use shoe polish for the lettering??? But, the new mustang comp car rolled right buy with show polish for lettering?? Shows how "off" tech can be..

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Were did the pics of the floor pan go

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

There is your answer. If the floor was legal, the pictures would still be online. Looks like they got removed before tech could see them.

For those who missed the pictures showing the bottom of the car...from the tunnel out to the rocker panels extending from the firewall to the rear seat area...flat sheet metal was used. No stock floor anywhere to be seen.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

I don't see what the big deal is. All chassis builders interpret the rules differently. From what I see this car wouldn't be the first one to be built like this. It seems to me that B&B race cars also does the same thing as like on Sean Cour's GT/AA Cobalt. His car and many other, built the same way, pass tech on a regular basis and never get questioned on legality by anyone, including tech officials. Lets all face it, both stock and super stock cars are getting way out of hand. Super stock car's should be running anywhere close to 8.00's in the 1/4 ( Scott Gove SS/AM) or any stocker running 9.40's. The only reason the cars are so quick today is because of rule intrepretations. Guys have stretched the rules for years and they will continue to do so. NHRA don't have a problem with it, so why should anyone else.

Pic of Sean Cour's Car with the same flooring
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Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Maybe cause it isn't right!

Stock & Super Stock have both gotten to far away from the original intent and guidelines of the categories.

Racers have threatened lawsuits to push their interpretations of the Rule Book, and the Sanctioning bodies have given up on any actual enforcement.

Which now gives us these Extremes in the same class....
A complete tube frame and sheet metal floors are legal in a SS/GT car... But an older body car in the same category can't even run tubular A-arms.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

I believe that I read in the rule book somewhere, that just because a car passed tech at a prior event that does not mean it is legal ! I spent a great deal of time with several top NHRA officals while planning my 60 Corvette for Super/Stock. I will tell you that they are NOT on the same page when it comes to the rules. I feel this is very distructive to the sport as we know it. Cutting edge is way cool, over the edge is not ! It is strange that a guy can get tossed for +.002 of valve lift, while a major part of a chassis or body modification that differs from the rule book is OK. Wesley explained to me like this "if the rule book does'nt say you can do it, YOU CAN'T" If NHRA wants to sign off on Mr. Rich's car that's great. Produce the rules revision and update the rule book next year so that others could have the same guidelines.

Wade Mahaffey

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Wade,

You have a PM.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

These modifications have been allowed for a while.

I just think the NHRA should open those rules up to all SS cars though.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Been allowed or are legal? It should be the same thing but it is not. That is the problem. Some tech people let certain thing slide. Next thing you know they can’t stop it and rather than enforcing the rules they change the rule to what the cheaters are doing.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

I'd disagree with that statement...

I'm certainly not a proponent of Tube Frame '55 Chevys, Dusters or Fairlanes for Super Stock?
That sounds like a Super Street or Super Gas car to me.

No wonder this **** is outta control!

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Are you a proponent of Tube Frame '55 Chevys and Dusters

Is'nt that called comp!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

I'm not sure that its a case of some tech people letting certain things slide. I think it is more of nobody in tech ever looks. When was the last time you saw a techman get down on the ground and look under a car they are teching?

This illegal modification was seen because a picture was put on the forum. That picture was clearly evident to many readers that this car has illegal floors. Now it comes to light that there may be other SS/GT conversion cars out there that also have illegal floors.

Will the rule be enforced and floors replaced or will once again the powers that be cave and the rule get changed?

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

....how about Super Gas / Super Street!!

Super Stock is now comprised of Comp Cars with Stocker motors....
and Stock has evolved into some high dollar - "hybrid" bracket class, where almost anything goes as well!

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Hey Zac,

This is a B&B Floor Pan. All B&B Cars have factory floor pans. Now show me your pic again. All cars are not built the same, some are built by the rules.
Anne & Darren Breaud

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Thank you, Mr 1chassishop for your adherence to the rules!

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Zac- Thanks for posting a pic of my car. I appreciate the wealth of knowledge you have pertaining to the building of B&B racecars. I have seen the floor pics of Mr. South's car, unfortunately you shouldn't have posted pics of his floor pan either, as the two differ greatly. My families B&B Cobalt HAS the original floor in the car, as you should know this, by being the expert you are!

Thanks again, Sean

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Sean,

I do apologize, from the pic that I saw, it just looked to be the same. If the floor is the factory floor, then it looks really good and i stand corrected. I didn't mean to "throw you under the bus", I was just trying to make a point that there are many builders that have interpred rules differently. I am no expert by any means, I just think cars are getting out of hand.

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

The plot thickens. Anyone wanna take bets that there will be a floorboard search party at Joliet? LOL

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

Excellent work, yeah the cages , well p.i.t.a.

Very nice work and apparently whoever painted the clear coat dosent suffer from Orangepeelosis like I do (thank god Im one hell of a color sander)

I will say when I saw the progression of the side, I didnt like it, when it was done, very very nice indeed.

Excellent workmanship and like mack said attention to detail. I hope to have enough time to get my SS/GT car done in such style....It starts next week :) Going a little more classic with the look, Sublime and Panther Pink with a Pink and white, (or green and white (cant decide) Mod Top....you know, reall laid back and underkey....:eek::D:eek:

I would love to know, maybe I missed, what combo the car will be running ?

Re: Painting a new SS/GT G5 (Rich South)
 

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