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cutta 02-12-2009 12:03 PM

Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this weekend?
 
Just wondering, if we will get another new car debut to follow suit with the CJ's debut. Thanks!

Chuck Norton 02-12-2009 12:45 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
I certainly hope to see a Challenger competing soon but, if he does show up without some immediate changes in the Classification Guide he'll only be able to run in Comp, brackets, or as a Funny Car. As far as the NHRA Guide is concerned, the 2008 or 2009 Challenger does not exist and that would preclude it from class racing.

Ed Fernandez 02-12-2009 01:38 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
But he's DON GARLITS.................

larrylomascolo 02-12-2009 01:54 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
in a earlier post,someone said he will not compete,due to the fact n.h.r.a has not listed the car in the guide,it was to be listed within a week or so of the first post ,

Jim Wahl 02-12-2009 02:23 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
I spoke with Garlits at the PRI show about running our SSSSA races, which he said he would do. He also said he thought the car could be ready sometime in March. Jim

MPR 02-12-2009 05:44 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
No, Don Garlits will not be racing the Drag Pak Challenger this weekend. No Drag Pak Challengers have been made available to racers yet. Soon!

chlngr73 02-12-2009 06:27 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
We keep hearing "soon" soon was supposed to be last year after Indy. Now we have the CJs already out there, and it took them all of a few weeks to get their specifications sorted out! Sounds like someone dropped the ball :mad:! Trying to not get my hopes up again just to hear " they aren't going to build it because the economy". Wish someone would chime in with some real hard facts on what is going on??? Thanks

David Buckner 4772 STK

dartman 02-12-2009 07:11 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
What's stopping anyone from making 2009 Challenger they get from the dealer with a 6.1?

X-TECH MAN 02-12-2009 07:17 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dartman (Post 105596)
What's stopping anyone from making 2009 Challenger they get form the dealer with a 6.1?

No spec's in the guide and lots of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

MPR 02-12-2009 07:48 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Chingr73, I have posted “real hard facts” on what’s going on. The Drag Pak Challengers are being built right now. The rate of build is about 10 cars per month. I’ve been told that the NHRA is on board and the cars will be released soon. The auto industry is faced with some very difficult times and Dodge/Mopar is doing a great job continuing this Drag Pak project. The CJ Mustang is already at the track because it’s very close to a production car. The Drag Pak Challenger on the other hand has many more race only modifications and the NHRA and Mopar need ample time to review and evaluate before final approval. There is a process and it takes time. Soon, trust me!

chlngr73 02-13-2009 03:55 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MPR (Post 105603)
Chingr73, I have posted “real hard facts” on what’s going on. The Drag Pak Challengers are being built right now. The rate of build is about 10 cars per month. I’ve been told that the NHRA is on board and the cars will be released soon. The auto industry is faced with some very difficult times and Dodge/Mopar is doing a great job continuing this Drag Pak project. The CJ Mustang is already at the track because it’s very close to a production car. The Drag Pak Challenger on the other hand has many more race only modifications and the NHRA and Mopar need ample time to review and evaluate before final approval. There is a process and it takes time. Soon, trust me!

Thanks MPR you have a PM!! :)

Tom P 02-13-2009 10:13 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
They kind of fumbled the ball on this one and Ford caught it and scored.

The Challenger was announced first and should have been put out there at the end of last season.
I also think they are making a mistake offering it incomplete and with a variety of engines including ones from the 80's. It should have a 5.7 or 6.1 for Stock and if they felt a need to make a GT car out of it sell it minus engine and let customers worry about the engine choice.

Tom P 02-13-2009 11:10 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Here's Don's schedule for this year. I don't see any points meets so i'm not sure if the idea is dead or if they'll be fit in where they can be. He would get to run Indy and many other national events as a past champion.

DON GARLITS
2009 SCHEDULE

February 13, 2009, as of this date

January 24th-------------------------------------------------Photo shoot, CFCC
February 20, 21 and 22-----------------Keystone Show for Magnaflow, NJ
February 27 – March 6th------------------------------------------------Vacation
March 11, evening------------------------------Cacklefest, Museum grounds
March 12th, ----Annual, International Drag Racing Hall of Fame Banquet
March 13, 14 and 15---------------------------Gatornationals, Gainesville FL
March 21-------------------------------No Billet Car Show, Museum grounds
May 15, 16 and 17---------Richmond, Virginia Motorsports Park, Reunion
May 29, 30 and 31------------------------St Louis MO, Muscle Car Reunion
June 13----------------------------------Bristol TN, Bristol Dragway, Reunion
June 19, 20 and 21-----------------------Bowling Green KY. NHRA Reunion
June 27 – July 4------------------------------------------------------------Vacation
July 10, 11 and 12-------------------Carlisle PA, Mopar Meet for Magnaflow
August 2-------------------------------------National Street Rod Tour, Museum
August 7, 8 and 9-----National Mopar Meet, National Trails, Columbus OH
September 4, 5, 6, and 7--------------------------Indianapolis IN, US Nationals
September 11, 12 and 13---------------Kansas City MO, Muscle Car Reunion
September 19-------------------------Pittsburg International Raceway, Reunion
September 22 – 27------------------------------------Visiting friends in Montana
October 3 and 4---------------------------------Kingdom CA, Kingdom Reunion
October 16, 17 and 18------------California Hot Rod Reunion, Bakersfield CA
November 6, 7 and 8---------------Mopars with Big Daddy, Museum grounds

Ed Fernandez 02-13-2009 11:50 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Tom P.
I love Mopars but what do you expect from a company that is on the balls of their ***,3 hostile takeovers over the years,cant sell cars now and went groveling on their hands and knees to the government for a handout.Just to satisfy a bunch of drag racers they're going to build cars they will lose money on.If they
do build them I hope they do go broke.Business first,toys second.That's one reason the American car
companies are in the shape they're in.

Ed F.

According to the schedule you posted he wont be at any NHRA races in Stock except maybe Indy.

GarysZ24 02-14-2009 04:38 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom P (Post 105834)
Here's Don's schedule for this year. I don't see any points meets so i'm not sure if the idea is dead or if they'll be fit in where they can be. He would get to run Indy and many other national events as a past champion.

DON GARLITS
2009 SCHEDULE

February 13, 2009, as of this date

January 24th-------------------------------------------------Photo shoot, CFCC
February 20, 21 and 22-----------------Keystone Show for Magnaflow, NJ
February 27 – March 6th------------------------------------------------Vacation
March 11, evening------------------------------Cacklefest, Museum grounds
March 12th, ----Annual, International Drag Racing Hall of Fame Banquet
March 13, 14 and 15---------------------------Gatornationals, Gainesville FL
March 21-------------------------------No Billet Car Show, Museum grounds
May 15, 16 and 17---------Richmond, Virginia Motorsports Park, Reunion
May 29, 30 and 31------------------------St Louis MO, Muscle Car Reunion
June 13----------------------------------Bristol TN, Bristol Dragway, Reunion
June 19, 20 and 21-----------------------Bowling Green KY. NHRA Reunion
June 27 – July 4------------------------------------------------------------Vacation
July 10, 11 and 12-------------------Carlisle PA, Mopar Meet for Magnaflow
August 2-------------------------------------National Street Rod Tour, Museum
August 7, 8 and 9-----National Mopar Meet, National Trails, Columbus OH
September 4, 5, 6, and 7--------------------------Indianapolis IN, US Nationals
September 11, 12 and 13---------------Kansas City MO, Muscle Car Reunion
September 19-------------------------Pittsburg International Raceway, Reunion
September 22 – 27------------------------------------Visiting friends in Montana
October 3 and 4---------------------------------Kingdom CA, Kingdom Reunion
October 16, 17 and 18------------California Hot Rod Reunion, Bakersfield CA
November 6, 7 and 8---------------Mopars with Big Daddy, Museum grounds

Hey Tom,

Now granted Indy is "INDY", and Gainesville is right there in his back yard, but what about Denver, Co., and the "Mopar Mile High Nationals"??? I'm surprised that the lone Mopar sponsored NHRA race they have isn't included???

Jeff Teuton 02-14-2009 06:55 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
MPR is on the number according to my information. I think I have a couple of numbers of my cars. Hopefully next week production.

bigshow2966 02-16-2009 02:23 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
The sad part is that we saw the introduction of the "Drag Pak" car at Vegas 2 years ago and it still is not anywhere to be found.

Ford announced their package 4 months ago and already have a National Event win.

I'm just sayin'....................

bill dedman 02-16-2009 04:41 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
>>>"already have a National Event win."<<<

Not too hard to do when NHRA "awards" you a HP factor that is straight out of the Twilight Zone...

dwydendorf 02-16-2009 09:49 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Can you explain how the horsepower factor came into play, when there were no heads up runs, and eliminations are a bracket race?

bill dedman 02-16-2009 02:22 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
It didn't. But, it might have... and, that's the rub. Can you guarantee it won't be involved in any heads up runs for the rest of the year?

THAT is the problem... No, it didn't matter at this particular race, but it surely could have. Can YOU explain how the NHRA tech department can be so naive as to "buy" the number that Ford suggested?

I can, but I won't.... not the place.

bigshow2966 02-17-2009 07:21 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 106144)
>>>"already have a National Event win."<<<

Not too hard to do when NHRA "awards" you a HP factor that is straight out of the Twilight Zone...


I did not see where John had any heads-up runs. The man flat out drove the car with some pretty good lights and good dialing. Sour grapes is what I hear from you sir.

bill dedman 02-18-2009 03:35 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
John Calvert is a very good driver. What's that got to do with he fact that his car is seriously under-factored and you're apparently afraid to use your real name when you post? Obfuscation and paranoia is what I hear from you.

bigshow2966 02-18-2009 05:53 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 106453)
John Calvert is a very good driver. What's that got to do with he fact that his car is seriously under-factored and you're apparently afraid to use your real name when you post? Obfuscation and paranoia is what I hear from you.

First time out with the car, only car in class, no heads-up runs, pretty good on the tree and dialed very well all through the eliminator that lasted for days.

What's the factor got to do with it at all at this time? It's not like there is any bogus GM factors out there, or any other Ford or Chrysler for that matter. He's already in A/S, where else you want him to go? Will this be the first combination to ever be refactored after the first race?

John did a great job and Mopar is still nowhere to be found. Ford got cars into the hands of real racers, not some worn-out fuel driver who will show the car a couple times and put it in his museum.

Why should I be paranoid? I'm just giving John/Ford their due, unlike you who seems jealous that John got another win.

Dennis Schumers
LaGrange Park, IL
708/254-3761
NHRA #331K

Good enough for ya?

Jim Bailey 02-18-2009 05:58 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Dennis, HEY,Hey,hey, EASY on the worn out old Fuel Drivers!!!! (laughing)

bigshow2966 02-19-2009 05:43 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Lol!!!!!!!!!

mike raddish 02-20-2009 12:37 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Giving big daddy a stock car to race against the nhra stock pros is like taking a bean shooter on a grizzly bear hunt. Absolutely no stock class experience, reactions of a 75 year old and the stamina of a worn out old man. Who thought this would work? Oh i forgot ,the same people that are running ma mopar into the ground. Ford put their reputation along with their factory race cars in the right peoples hands. Is that wrong? Chrysler will take their race car to safety clinics and car shows while Ford kicks everyones butt with the best drivers available. GM is in the same boat as Chrysler. "Hey, lets sit over here in the shade and talk about how good we used to do on Sundays". Ford put their money where their mouth is. The carnage has just begun.

bill dedman 02-20-2009 02:10 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshow2966 (Post 106544)
>>>>>First time out with the car, only car in class, no heads-up runs, pretty good on the tree and dialed very well all through the eliminator that lasted for days.

Thanks for proving that you actually HAVE a name; people on here don't pay much attention to the posters who don't seem to have one, for whatever reason...

>>>>>What's the factor got to do with it at all at this time?

Nothing. I miss-spoke.
Here's what John ran on one elimination run: E2 ****WINNER**** 0.013..... 10.185..... 112.55

What's wrong with this picture? You tell me... Now, how about that factor?

>>>>> It's not like there is any bogus GM factors out there, or any other Ford or Chrysler for that matter.

We're not talking about Mopars and GM cars; save that for another thread.


>>>>>He's already in A/S, where else you want him to go?

How about Super Stock B? Let those supercharged rockets play among the Hemis where they belong...
They'll end up there, sooner or later, anyway; I'd just as soon it be sooner before they do any more damage to legitimately-factored race cars.

>>>>>Will this be the first combination to ever be refactored after the first race?

NHRA re-factored the NASCAR Hemi before it ever saw a drag strip. They needed to do that with this combination, too.

>>>>>John did a great job

Yeah he actually had ONE RACE on his way to the winners' circle.... ONE. He had four drivers red light against him, one no-show at the line, and one single (bye-run.) I am not taking ANYTHING away from John Calvert, who is one of the most impressive racers I have ever seen row a 4-speed... This isn't about him; he was flawless, but the factor is absurd. 10.18 at 112 mph??? Gimmee a break....


>>>>> and Mopar is still nowhere to be found.

I can't answer for them, and that, again, is not the focus of this discussion between you and me, at least as far as I can tell...

>>>>>Why should I be paranoid? I'm just giving John/Ford their due, unlike you who seems jealous that John got another win.


You shouldn't be paranoid, and apparently you're not. But, you seemed to be, posting under an alias.
I am not in the slightest bit jealous of John Calvert, and will no doubt, buy a set of his ingeniously-configured traction bars from him for my own car, and I wish him nothing but the best in continued success. He is hard core, and does it the old-fashioned way with his '68... who can not respect that?

It's the HP factor on the car he drove this past L-O-N-G weekend that I have a problem with, and how that factor got into the Guide.



>>>>Good enough for ya?

Yuppers; ya dun gud!!!

dartman 02-20-2009 07:00 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Maybe it has something about getting money from the FED's and giving it to some old guy to go racing( in the fed's eyes) is not a good idea.only my 2 cents

Ron Ortiz 02-20-2009 04:06 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Just a question here. How many of these CJ's were put into so called racers hands/teams. I believe that Mr. Hajek owns some of them and has got some racers driving for him currently. But how many CJ's are out there in racers/teams/owners hands.

Having Don Garlits at the wheel of a Mopar Stocker is a good marketing plan. He will get media attention, regardless of his racing results, and coverage at the shows he appears at.

I personally would love to see all the new factory cars out there running in Stock Eliminator. NHRA has to step up to the plate with their opinion of horsepower ratings, regardless of what any of us think. It would only be proper that they gather alot of information that is becoming available with each race.

Hey, Jim Wahl, get Cadillac to give you one of those XLR's or CTS / CTV's.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA Camaros, Challengers, Cobras, oh my

Jim Wahl 02-20-2009 04:41 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Ron,
I just happened to talk to one of the old "heavy hitters" from Cadillac a couple of weeks ago.He said all that was going down the tube. Looks as if the good old days are gone! Jim

bigshow2966 02-20-2009 06:25 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz (Post 106846)
Just a question here. How many of these CJ's were put into so called racers hands/teams. I believe that Mr. Hajek owns some of them and has got some racers driving for him currently. But how many CJ's are out there in racers/teams/owners hands.

Last number I saw was that 18-20 CJ's would actually be raced.

Bill, Bill, Bill, you cry about Ford having a bogus factor and in your defense use a bogus combination for an example? You gotta do better than that. (Insert smiley face here)

Besides, a Hemi with one carb is just like a stripper with one boob. Looks kinda the same, sounds kinda the same, but just can't get the job done. (Insert more smiley faces here)

X-TECH MAN 02-20-2009 07:10 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshow2966 (Post 106874)
Last number I saw was that 18-20 CJ's would actually be raced.



Besides, a Hemi with one carb is just like a stripper with one boob. Looks kinda the same, sounds kinda the same, but just can't get the job done. (Insert more smiley faces here)

The other 30 or so CJ's will no doubt be "Collector" cars and the owners(whores) will try to hold onto them until they can get 3 to 4 times the money they paid for them. LOL on the the single carb Hemi quote.

bill dedman 02-20-2009 09:17 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Somebody said, "Besides, a Hemi with one carb is just like a stripper with one boob. Looks kinda the same, sounds kinda the same, but just can't get the job done."


Phoenix #1 qualifier:
1 54 A/SA Stephen Hagberg, Berthoud CO, '64 Savoy 10.169 11.30 -1.131

Not bad for a "can't get the job done" combination.... lol!
(Insert more smiley faces here)

Now, where is that boob??? Oh yeah; Chicago! lol!

Joe Fasano 02-20-2009 09:44 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
His schedule is correct, He,s at the Keystone Show in Secaucus NJ in the booth next to mine signing Autographs for Magna Flow Exsaust. I will try to get a reading on the car from him tomorrow. Thanks Joe Fasano.

Ed Fernandez 02-21-2009 01:17 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fasano (Post 106910)
His schedule is correct, He,s at the Keystone Show in Secaucus NJ in the booth next to mine signing Autographs for Magna Flow Exsaust. I will try to get a reading on the car from him tomorrow. Thanks Joe Fasano.

Hey Fitty,can ya get me an audagraff?

Ed

bigshow2966 02-21-2009 07:28 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 106905)
Somebody said, "Besides, a Hemi with one carb is just like a stripper with one boob. Looks kinda the same, sounds kinda the same, but just can't get the job done."


Phoenix #1 qualifier:
1 54 A/SA Stephen Hagberg, Berthoud CO, '64 Savoy 10.169 11.30 -1.131

Not bad for a "can't get the job done" combination.... lol!
(Insert more smiley faces here)

Now, where is that boob??? Oh yeah; Chicago! lol!


Not bad for a bogus combination, huh?

bill dedman 02-21-2009 05:42 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Dennis said, "Not bad for a bogus combination, huh?."
and, previously....
>>>>>>>"Sour grapes is what I hear from you, sir."

Dennis; those "sour grapes" seem to be proliferating.... LOL!




Bill (maybe we should make some wine???)

bigshow2966 02-22-2009 05:46 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Bill, all I'm saying is that you defended your disdain for a "bogus factor" with a bogus combination. Am I the only one who sees the irony?

I have been following class cars for many years and am fascinated by them. I also know that sometimes you can make a lot better combination with a pen than you can a dyno.

I see Stinnett already moved into AA/SA. Time will take care of everything.

DonatoEng 02-27-2009 10:57 PM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
What bogas combination are you talking about, the Challenger or the Savoy ?

bill dedman 02-28-2009 02:47 AM

Re: Anybody know if Don Garlits is bringing the Challenger to Bradenton, FL this week
 
Bigshow,

If you've been following class racing for as long as you say you have, I'm sure you realize that the only time a bogus combination results in a situation where other races are victimized is when the NHRA mandated "factor" allows it.

If the '67 Shelby GT500s had been properly factored, they would have slipped though totally unnoticed, and people wouldn't still be talking about the "paper cars" that could run so unbelieveably far under the indexes.

It's never JUST the "bogus" cars...its the factors that sometimes come along with them.

NHRA strapped extra horsepower on the NASCAR Hemi before they ever got to see one run, so intent were they on making sure they didn't go out and dominate like the Shelbys did. They didn't allow it to go into battle with the horsepower than Mopar had reported it had; NHRA upped the ante (and, the weight) before anyone got a chance to see if that figure was in the ballpark. Not so, the CJ's. Ford said 425, and NHRA said, "SO BE IT!!!"

They run well, these NASCAR Hemis, but I am not at all sure that they are any faster than Henson's "street Hemi" motor in Ronnie West's GTX. Nitro Joe might know...

But, the contention that the NASCAR Hemi car is "bogus" has no pertinenence in the argument about the 2008 CJ's because the ~only~ real argument against the CJ's is the outrageously soft factor NHRA awarded them.
That wasn't done for the NASCAR Hemi motor. Different deal, altogether.

Looks like apples and oranges to me....

No irony there.

My cent-and-a-half...

Bill


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