Originally Posted by Bill Koski (Post 159445)

Maybe the stock and superstock racers should jump out of their cars on the starting line and scream at each other and stomp around like they do on pinks with a bald headed doofus as the referee?
Pinks makes drag racers look like a bunch of retards, fits right in with the video games these young people are addicted to!
I won't watch it!

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 159457)

^^^^^^^^ Very true, Bill , but as Michael was saying, a great , knowledgeable announcer can make a big difference.

Some of you may remember Leo Samuel at the Patch ,and Div I .

He knew everything about everybody and let you know it . Past wins, records, combinations and so on. He called everybody MR. (so and so) and would give a great racer the respect he deserved.

Again, look at the one and only USCN. Spectators came from all over the country to watch our kind of cars run.

Originally Posted by Mike Carr (Post 159120)

Herbie, I'm not sure I follow your thinking, so help me out here.

A racer goes all over to gain the necisary six grade points to be able to compete at Indy. They pay their $300 entry, take their vacation time, show up, race, make their Class Run, win their class, run quick enough, meet all the requirements (ET, weight, fuel, teardown, etc) and are declared Class Winner. Now, just because no one else could/would bother to do the same, that person should be denied their Class Win, even though they met all of NHRA's requrements to do so? because no one else showed up?

Am I missing something here? Should I have paid the entry for the other dozen or so HF/SA's to come race? Should I have talked to their bosses to give them the time off? Should I have tried to raise money to have a shootout to attract more participation? Paid their expenses? Should I have told Billy to build me another car to drive? Should I have borrowed a car for Indy, one that ran in a Class with three or more cars in it? I did all that I could do, and that NHRA required me to do, for me to be a Class Winner. I shouldn't be penalized for circumstances beyone my control (no one else showing up). If you went to Indy, and all the GT/BA racers had entered into the GT/AA Shootout and you were all alone in GT/BA, should NHRA take your Class money and Class Wally away and say "Sorry Herbie, you were a bye run, no Class Win for you. So long, and thanks for coming". I'f I'm missing something, please fill me in.

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 159370)

No Ed...I didn't say anything like what you responded.........I simply said awarding people money and a trophy for making a by run makes NO sense. I didn't say a word about what car gets to run eliminations.

The Old days was always class winners and low qualifiers.....and the field was nowhere near the number of cars as today. I don't know what would make a good formula fro seeding cars into eliminations. The present system is why so many show up. ALL run or all run up to 128 cars at most events....


Having so many classes has diluted the categorie and the bye runs for class awards is rediculous.....Bitching that you paid $280 to race an event is not relavent to this....It already is a rich mans sport or didn't you notice! Thats why I'm not there......The return on investment has become ludicrously poor.....and it was never great to begin with!

I entered a number of national events in my old days in Jr. Stock and Stock and Super Stock......I never got a single chance to run a National event eliminator for various reasons in those old days........I paid my money, took my chances and realized I was usually not fast enough and in over my head and went home.....I moved into categories I could win at........and did.....

Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 159779)

Rich,

Don't know where you raced in the '60's but I raced class at Atco NJ and ran a 6 cyl Valiant 225 4 speed and sometimes there would be 10 cars in the class and at others only one.

You're saying that it's my fault that the others did not show up to race that night I should not be allowed to win my class and get my $5.00 trophy.....ridiculous! Atco thought it was also...I would get my class trophy and was allowed to race ( by being a class winner) in Jr Stock Eliminator....why....because I entered, paid my money and made my single pass for a class win. It is not my fault the other guys didn't show up that night.

JimR