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Mike Pearson 12-05-2017 05:16 PM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw (Post 551134)
I think this thread may have jumped the shark along the way but I thought I’d weigh in anyway.

Sealed crate engines have been proposed to NHRA several times recently for inclusion in Super Stock. There was some interest but it came down to how to accurately rate them. It needs to be low enough the cars can qualify at national events but it would be unfair to rate them so low that they can run to the top of the qualifying sheet. This is where it got hung up.

Personally I think a sealed class for SS/GT would be a good thing. Ford and Chevy both have sealed engines along with the electronics to run them. Dodge might as well but I haven’t checked, if they don’t it’d be easy enough to do. It is very cost effective and reliable at ~$8k for engine and controller with most racers getting hundreds of runs without issues. Plus the aftermarket support for these engine platforms (Coyote&LS) is huge so putting it in most popular platforms would be fairly straight forward and maybe you get some new contingency sponsors. This has worked well for NMRA and NMCA racers in a heads-up format and have no doubt it would work in a SS format as well.

Not really what this thread is about. This is about NHRA adopting the now defunct IHRA only classes. Pure Stock GT Stock and Crate motor Stock. No one has brought up the SS production classes from IHRA yet.

Nmbr1GMfan 12-05-2017 05:16 PM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw (Post 551134)
I think this thread may have jumped the shark along the way but I thought I’d weigh in anyway.

Sealed crate engines have been proposed to NHRA several times recently for inclusion in Super Stock. There was some interest but it came down to how to accurately rate them. It needs to be low enough the cars can qualify at national events but it would be unfair to rate them so low that they can run to the top of the qualifying sheet. This is where it got hung up.

Personally I think a sealed class for SS/GT would be a good thing. Ford and Chevy both have sealed engines along with the electronics to run them. Dodge might as well but I haven’t checked, if they don’t it’d be easy enough to do. It is very cost effective and reliable at ~$8k for engine and controller with most racers getting hundreds of runs without issues. Plus the aftermarket support for these engine platforms (Coyote&LS) is huge so putting it in most popular platforms would be fairly straight forward and maybe you get some new contingency sponsors. This has worked well for NMRA and NMCA racers in a heads-up format and have no doubt it would work in a SS format as well.

I would consider a heads up SS/GT sealed deal. Those things look like a blast.

Michael Beard 12-05-2017 06:18 PM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jesse Kershaw (Post 551134)
Sealed crate engines have been proposed to NHRA several times recently for inclusion in Super Stock. There was some interest but it came down to how to accurately rate them. It needs to be low enough the cars can qualify at national events but it would be unfair to rate them so low that they can run to the top of the qualifying sheet. This is where it got hung up.

NHRA did not appear to have any such hangups with the factory cars. My 5.9L DragPak had more cam, more compression, aluminum heads, and a 1000cfm throttle body, yet was rated 50HP less than my 360 Magnum crate motor.

Bob Bender 12-05-2017 06:49 PM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
[QUOTE=Dan Fahey;550968]Billy;
Didn’t say anyone bashed you!
Just the opposite..in fact you just described me too :D:
You are sweet gentle person who would never offend even a mouse!:eek:

Bob Bender...!
I hope Billy Nees Nickel Stocker kicks every $100,000 FS Stocker out there!
He has an advantage because his car is so slow it’s shawdow falls asleeps at the line!
Then latches on the faster car to catch up!

From an earlier Challenge..I bet Billy or you Bob or any other Stocker Racer $10 they cannot beat my Pure Stocker!

Pure Stock Still Rules!
Just like Billy Nees cars.....it is affordable!

Now where was that other conversation on CR where Stock Racers were complaining that they do not like running Bracket Racing because of their sensitive engines?:confused:

D[/QUOT


I will take that bet !!!

MR DERBY CITY 12-05-2017 08:19 PM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dan fahey (Post 551125)
why are you so jealous of me ?

D

really ??

HR9121 12-05-2017 09:17 PM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
[QUOTE=Bob Bender;551150]
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 550968)
Billy;
Didn’t say anyone bashed you!
Just the opposite..in fact you just described me too :D:
You are sweet gentle person who would never offend even a mouse!:eek:

Bob Bender...!
I hope Billy Nees Nickel Stocker kicks every $100,000 FS Stocker out there!
He has an advantage because his car is so slow it’s shawdow falls asleeps at the line!
Then latches on the faster car to catch up!

From an earlier Challenge..I bet Billy or you Bob or any other Stocker Racer $10 they cannot beat my Pure Stocker!

Pure Stock Still Rules!
Just like Billy Nees cars.....it is affordable!

Now where was that other conversation on CR where Stock Racers were complaining that they do not like running Bracket Racing because of their sensitive engines?:confused:

D[/QUOT


I will take that bet !!!

Bob you're not going to be able to collect unless you go to one of the combo races.

Bob Bender 12-05-2017 10:26 PM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
Cooter, we can just go to Cecil County. No big deal.

Alan Roehrich 12-06-2017 08:02 AM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
"Sealed Engines" are the laughing stock of the aftermarket industry. There's an entire segment of the industry that makes the necessary components to keep the engine looking "sealed" to even the trained eye. All the while they're fully blueprinted with well disguised expensive bogus parts.

That crap is for tracks and sanctioning bodies too cheap and too lazy to have real tech personnel and procedures.


We all heard that line of garbage a decade or so back, how "sealed crate motors" were going to save grass roots circle track racing. Yeah, right. Look how that worked out for them.

Dan Fahey 12-06-2017 09:10 AM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan (Post 551128)
FYI if it takes you 20 years to build a car, You're idle.

No family took priority! Starting and growing a business.
Got things done when there was time and money.
Other issues such as unreliable Restorers not competing tasks.
Having to find another and moving the car.
Not having a place to work on it.

Why be disparaging?
D

James Perrone 12-06-2017 09:43 AM

Re: Crate Motor Class
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 551190)
No family took priority! Starting and growing a business.
Got things done when there was time and money.
Other issues such as unreliable Restorers not competing tasks.
Having to find another and moving the car.
Not having a place to work on it.

Why be disparaging?
D

Excuses excuses. Blame your it on body shop. No place to work on car
I will race you for $10. Billy and Bob could care less about your challenge
I applied to race you But You No Better cause you ain’t showing
Blah blah blah. Woooooooo
I’m Delusional Dan. All I want for Xmas is a Miracle of acceptance opinions I force upon others
You should get another hobby other than pissing in everybody’s Cheerios
Put your stuff for sale. Back to the soccer league for you


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