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dwydendorf 09-29-2010 10:49 AM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by Dgal (Post 213707)
Because that is all they have. The supporters have to play "what if" games to post any form of argument. They won't let facts get in the way of a good discussion.

Don
Well here is something to think about. In say 1970, when the 68 1/2 and 69 Mustang 428 Cobra Jets and 69 396 and 427 Camaros were only a year or two old, how many of you would have defended a 1930 model T being obsoleted by the new Mustangs and Camaros? You are talking about 40 year old cars being obsoleted by new technology. Don't you think after 40 years someone could come up with something better?

Chad Rhodes 09-29-2010 10:56 AM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by Dgal (Post 213718)
Chad,

Do you know the main reason that you won't see too many if any of the new Camaros as Stockers or SS? They are so freaking wide you can't get them in the stackers or enclosed trailers that many racers own. They may be open trailer only cars which isn't such a bad deal, IMHO.

Don
i see a whole new market for liftgate-upper deck stackers

Bruce Noland 09-29-2010 10:56 AM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by dwydendorf (Post 213730)
Well here is something to think about. In say 1970, when the 68 1/2 and 69 Mustang 428 Cobra Jets and 69 396 and 427 Camaros were only a year or two old, how many of you would have defended a 1930 model T being obsoleted by the new Mustangs and Camaros? You are talking about 40 year old cars being obsoleted by new technology. Don't you think after 40 years someone could come up with something better?
1930 Model T Stockers? Were they in the class guides?

Chad Rhodes 09-29-2010 10:58 AM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by dwydendorf (Post 213730)
Well here is something to think about. In say 1970, when the 68 1/2 and 69 Mustang 428 Cobra Jets and 69 396 and 427 Camaros were only a year or two old, how many of you would have defended a 1930 model T being obsoleted by the new Mustangs and Camaros? You are talking about 40 year old cars being obsoleted by new technology. Don't you think after 40 years someone could come up with something better?
if the new cars carried the same HP factor as the old model T and had to race them heads up, then yes I would. However that's a straw man/apples and oranges comparison that's a joke. No one is arguing that the technology isn't better, but the hp factors are dishonest at best.

dwydendorf 09-29-2010 11:27 AM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 213735)
if the new cars carried the same HP factor as the old model T and had to race them heads up, then yes I would. However that's a straw man/apples and oranges comparison that's a joke. No one is arguing that the technology isn't better, but the hp factors are dishonest at best.
The 69 428 cj was rated at 335hp which was underfactored at the time along with the 69 255 hp 350 and the 67-69 290 hp z-28 Camaro when they came out. How is it any different today?

Chad Rhodes 09-29-2010 11:32 AM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by dwydendorf (Post 213738)
The 69 428 cj was rated at 335hp which was underfactored at the time along with the 69 255 hp 350 and the 67-69 290 hp z-28 Camaro when they came out. How is it any different today?
you could buy one on the showroom floor and drive it home????? there's a big start. If you want to "buy one and drive it home" from ford, the closest you can get ( which is a mere .030 in cam lift different) is a GT500 rated at 540.

Mike Carr 09-29-2010 11:50 AM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 213739)
you could buy one on the showroom floor and drive it home????? there's a big start. If you want to "buy one and drive it home" from ford, the closest you can get ( which is a mere .030 in cam lift different) is a GT500 rated at 540.
Not to mention the older combinations mentioned weren't almost hundred horsepower soft like the modern ones...

A/SA Fairlane 09-29-2010 12:05 PM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes (Post 213739)
you could buy one on the showroom floor and drive it home????? there's a big start. If you want to "buy one and drive it home" from ford, the closest you can get ( which is a mere .030 in cam lift different) is a GT500 rated at 540.


The 08 Shelby is only 500 hp which is a good place to start for the CJ IMO. Fezell could have the sticks there by the end of next year the way he is running. As for the automatics I think the retired OLD blue ford from NY could out run any one of them for the right $$$, but I didn't race stock for very long and haven't raced it in over 10 years so my opion doesn't really matter

D. French out of $$ long b4 the new cars came along LOL

Dgal 09-29-2010 12:14 PM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by A/SA Fairlane (Post 213745)
D. French out of $$ long b4 the new cars came along LOL

Did you have to rub it in? :D

Don

Chad Rhodes 09-29-2010 12:14 PM
Re: What would you do with the current CJ and DP car situation?
 
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Originally Posted by A/SA Fairlane (Post 213745)
The 08 Shelby is only 500 hp which is a good place to start for the CJ IMO. Fezell could have the sticks there by the end of next year the way he is running. As for the automatics I think the retired OLD blue ford from NY could out run any one of them for the right $$$, but I didn't race stock for very long and haven't raced it in over 10 years so my opion doesn't really matter

D. French out of $$ long b4 the new cars came along LOL
the 2010 is rated at 540, and the NHRA factor is 435


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