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fredjohnston 12-23-2016 10:16 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
They left out one important item. What day will the racers park in the pits? The day before the event begins (same day as stacking) or the day the event starts?

Also, what restaurants, movie theaters, etc. use this system? Just curious.

paulgt 12-23-2016 10:36 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Because less time will be required on site, stacking and parking will be moved one day later for each national event.* For example, at three day events stacking will begin on Wednesday and parking will begin on Thursday.* Hours will be extended for each national event to provide additional time for parking.* Schedules posted on NHRARacer.com will include when stacking and parking will begin. this is copied from the nhra site

Don Kennedy 12-23-2016 01:33 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by paulgt (Post 523005)
Because less time will be required on site, stacking and parking will be moved one day later for each national event.* For example, at three day events stacking will begin on Wednesday and parking will begin on Thursday.* Hours will be extended for each national event to provide additional time for parking.* Schedules posted on NHRARacer.com will include when stacking and parking will begin. this is copied from the nhra site
The thought occurred to me that it seems when Businesses spend millions of dollars in advertising to get customers to come and show up at their business and to spend money and when the customers show up early they say oh no you have to wait to get in to the business , this seems counterproductive . The business should welcome their customers with open arms any time their customers want to show up with some form of plan and that plan should favor the customers not the business

SS3718 12-23-2016 01:50 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 523021)
The thought occurred to me that it seems when Businesses spend millions of dollars in advertising to get customers to come and show up at their business and to spend money and when the customers show up early they say oh no you have to wait to get in to the business , this seems counterproductive . The business should welcome their customers with open arms any time their customers want to show up with some form of plan and that plan should favor the customers not the business
Mr. Kennedy,
Most businesses have "business hours". NHRA is basically outlining their business hours. Why should NHRA or a hosting track have to accommodate people at their own expense for people who show up outside of "business hours".

Time will tell if the improvements work. On the surface, I thought the announcement sounded good!

Don Kennedy 12-23-2016 02:02 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SS3718 (Post 523024)
Mr. Kennedy,
Most businesses have "business hours". NHRA is basically outlining their business hours. Why should NHRA or a hosting track have to accommodate people at their own expense for people who show up outside of "business hours".

Time will tell if the improvements work. On the surface, I thought the announcement sounded good!
Does "Customer Service" sound good

Herbie Null 12-23-2016 02:10 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
sounds good? lets see, a lot of 3 day events with 1 day time trial on Friday and racing on Saturday and Sunday, I like it from that aspect. I even think someone said the 3 day events will cost less for entry fees since you will have less time on the track lol. I sure cant wait to see what happens if it rains on Friday? I personally do not mind no qualifying run and random pairing said no one ever!!! Merry Christmas everyone

Dave Muller 12-23-2016 08:43 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Speaking as someone who still hasn't gotten their car together, and as someone who will probably never get to the track any earlier than I really have to...

This sounds good to me!

Eric Merryfield 12-24-2016 01:52 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
As the ultra rare 1st generation racer I don't have a problem with the changes. If I can attend national events, the one less extra day can be a godsend, and might allow more testing, etc, work, anything, and I mean anything is better than having to push it to get to a event, to be put in a field to await parking, then go wait in line for tech.

The ETI's and hardcards have permitted me to attend some events over the last two years that I would have punted on in the past. I roll in when I can.

The horrendous "UPGRADE" of the online credentials, was a fiasco of the highest order. Fill out everthing and then wait to get a follow up email to print? Really, thats just unacceptable.

With the reduction of costs ie less overhead to run the events, I expect to see the purses increased. What incentive do I have to put myself through the aggravation of national events?

Divisonals, national opens, club racing(allstars etc), even figuring out how to run IHRA enough times to compete, all seem like a better time and experience than some national events.

I play enough to have the grade points to go to any race I want, but the National event chaos is pretty tough to stomach.

Just the musing of what possibly could have been the NHRA's growth demographic......SCCA, stock car, vintage, they are all other forms that compete for the first generations of anything.

Eric

Chuck Stubeck 12-24-2016 02:18 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Well Pomona is around the corner and I signed. No problem there. Now try and print out your credentials. It won't work. Once you get your Email confirmation regarding your order, they conveniently left out the space for your PROMO CODE and PASSWORD. Without these you can't get any credentials. Same problem with trying to get Phoenix credentials. What part of the NHRA improves the pre-event process does this fall under. I will find out Jan 2nd from Jennifer as NHRA is closed until then.

Bob Gullett 12-24-2016 02:25 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Stubeck (Post 523083)
Well Pomona is around the corner and I signed. No problem there. Now try and print out your credentials. It won't work. Once you get your Email confirmation regarding your order, they conveniently left out the space for your PROMO CODE and PASSWORD. Without these you can't get any credentials. Same problem with trying to get Phoenix credentials. What part of the NHRA improves the pre-event process does this fall under. I will find out Jan 2nd from Jennifer as NHRA is closed until then.
This is what I got from Jennifer after I emailed her about this.
"This year we are with another company, at the beginning of the new year you will receive an email with the new link. It will be much easier this year"

Chuck Stubeck 12-24-2016 04:54 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Bob, Thanks for the update. I missed the NHRA office by one day or I would have had the latest info.

FireSale 12-27-2016 01:52 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
I had some questions about missing a time pass over an easy tech fix like a tail light, but if you treat your race car like an airplane and do a good walk around when you first set up, you are good to go. This puts more on the racer where it really belongs. Know the rules for your class and take responsibility for your own safety.

Bill Koski 12-27-2016 05:02 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
The idea of being randomly teched in the lanes is BS.
Twice I had a tech guy that said I was not legal when he didn't know the rules, I'd been assured from California I was legal. That time I left the National Event without competing because no one would step in and over rule the guy.
The other time after some wrangling the ruling was so off of the wall that it was over turned.
If some guy that doesn't know or understand a rule shows up in the lanes before first round you'd be DONE for the weekend!
I missed a qualifying pass at Vegas once because some guy at the starting line said I had to have a fire jacket in U/S.

Crew Chief 12-27-2016 09:25 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Here's a thought that does not sound appealing....local bracket tech men from the track where the national event is held could be the ones walking through the staging lanes and randomly checking stock and S/S.

Tim Lewis 12-27-2016 10:43 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crew Chief (Post 523226)
Here's a thought that does not sound appealing....local bracket tech men from the track where the national event is held could be the ones walking through the staging lanes and randomly checking stock and S/S.
Problem with that is some of these guys don't even have a clue what they are doing much less looking at. I've been saying for YEARS that ALL tracks need tech people who have to stick 100% to the book. We don't race junk and have 4 cars now that range from 4.20's to 4.90 and our local guys don't even look at them. Ive even offered to show them my gear and the cars and they just look at me like I'm crazy.

4543 12-27-2016 11:22 PM
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I am ok with most of this. I have never understood the issue with stacking whenever you arrive. I leave many races and drive to the next race arriving Tues or We'd before the next race. Now we will have find somewhere to stay on those days. Usually we will park motor home and either sightsee, visit local restaurants etc or do maintainance on the rig or car. If they are going to let us self park at the track surely we have enough sense to pull in a field outside the track and get in a line. Mike McMahan 2543 H/SA

The Hawk 12-28-2016 07:08 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tim Lewis (Post 523235)
Problem with that is some of these guys don't even have a clue what they are doing much less looking at. I've been saying for YEARS that ALL tracks need tech people who have to stick 100% to the book. We don't race junk and have 4 cars now that range from 4.20's to 4.90 and our local guys don't even look at them. Ive even offered to show them my gear and the cars and they just look at me like I'm crazy.
My last National Event I entered I about didn`t pass tech since my battery was in the stock location and I was using the stock battery mount. "I`ve never seen this before" was what was mumbled out of his mouth as I stood there and watched him go through his rule book. Maybe local track tech officials would be a good approach. My local track is by the book as far as tech is concerned.

Shaun Quill 12-28-2016 08:36 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 523001)
Sounds great for late arrivers like myself! I can't get there on Wednesday and normally come in the night before an event, have to tech and go through the registration process and make the first hit. This is right up my chaotic alley.
Lol!!!!!!!

James Perrone 12-28-2016 04:34 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Question . If you filled you tech card out at home can you change classes when you get to track? Or you stay in class you picked? Sometimes I need to hide.

Dave Crysler 12-28-2016 05:29 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Can you leave it blank till you get there and decide or will the program not print unless all info is entered?

DIV3CR 12-28-2016 06:36 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Does Force and Schumacher and other big teams pay a entrance
fee and pay for their pit crew or is it the little guys who pay to play.
Robert a Keller

Dave Crysler 12-28-2016 07:26 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Years ago it was top 10 in points free and 8 crew members per team free.

Eric Merryfield 12-28-2016 08:08 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 523263)
Question . If you filled you tech card out at home can you change classes when you get to track? Or you stay in class you picked? Sometimes I need to hide.
If you download and save the tech card template, you can create as many different ones as you like. Just save them as unique pdf's print them all out and throw in the Nova. Do a couple for your superstocker too, then you are all set.

Hardest thing is keeping the occupation interesting.

Eric

Jeff Stout 12-28-2016 08:12 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield (Post 523280)
If you download and save the tech card template, you can create as many different ones as you like. Just save them as unique pdf's print them all out and throw in the Nova. Do a couple for your superstocker too, then you are all set.

Hardest thing is keeping the occupation interesting.

Eric
^^^^ This. Having teched at Speedworld I had alot of drivers do this and it was easier to read and faster to fill in the blanks for the driver.

HR9121 12-28-2016 09:36 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 523263)
Question . If you filled you tech card out at home can you change classes when you get to track? Or you stay in class you picked? Sometimes I need to hide.
You can run but you can't hide! I sure love J.... little tougher for you bad *** cars all around.

Ed Wright 12-28-2016 10:20 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
I've done that, printed them on paper, cut to size, sometimes they will take them, sometimes not. Some want the hand written cards.

If the arthritis in your hands gets as bad as mine, printed is certainly easier to read.

GarysZ24 02-11-2017 12:57 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
[QUOTE=Barry Polley;521558]Trump! Dear Mr. President, Can you step in and clean up things?
BTW, our STOCK needs help too...

One can wish right?[/QUOTE

You're joking right? You expect a man whose cabinet is similar to the post #50 by Phil in knowledge of the positions they have, to help here? The pro's are like the top 1% (which he and many of his cabinet are as well),and we sportsman racers are akin to the 99% (working class and bill payers). That's funnier than Don Rickles was....

GarysZ24 02-11-2017 02:20 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Wahl (Post 521605)
With all the changes the IHRA is making for 2017 it might be worth looking into for some of you. Starting next year they will be checking fuel in S/SS. S/SS will return to National Events. They have gone back to a National Points program where there are no more "Divisional" boundaries.You will be allowed to claim points from your best 7 of a maximum of 10 races. Whom ever has the most points at the end of the year is the Champion. Just like NHRA is now.

"The renewal of the partnership with Summit Racing Equipment also includes some updates to the existing sportsman programs. The Summit Pro-Am Tour will be replaced and move from a divisional based system to a national based points system in 2017.* The change in structure will eliminate “divisions” and return to utilizing a national points based system that will improve a competitor’s ability to pick and choose the races he or she wants to attend without having geographical constraints. Additionally, the Summit SuperSeries will feature an increased and expanded Summit World Finals purse.
“The sportsman racer, at every level, has been and will continue to be one of the most important components of the Summit Racing Equipment family,” said Summit Motorsports and Events Manager Jim Greenleaf.* “We are proud to support the men, women and kids who gather at their local IHRA track to participate in the Summit SuperSeries or travel throughout their region chasing a class racing championship.* It is a great feeling for us to see Summit SuperSeries champions from all over North America show up at Memphis for the Summit World Finals to race*for a World Championship.* It takes the entire family of IHRA racers, member tracks, sanctioning body staff and Summit Racing Equipment working together to move the sportsman racing component of IHRA Drag Racing to the incredible level of support and enthusiasm we have today and we are proud to continue our efforts in these programs,” Greenleaf continued.
The new partnership will provide unprecedented live stream coverage of each Summit Sportsman National Championship event in its entirety with an industry leading provider of sports content. This partnership will be announced shortly and will further demonstrate IHRA’s dominate role in providing national exposure to sportsman competitors."

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Jim, sadly the IHRA option didn't work out for us southwestern class racers. However, thanks to Matt and Brad Hawk, plus the Arizona Stock Super Stock Association and our two Az drag strips, we have an option for our class Racer loving dollars like you do, and I am damn glad to see it. It's a six race championship combo series with total entry fees that are about half the cost of our divisionals, and with some great sponsors like California Car Covers, and AZ Differential Specialists, we got off to a good start with a 23 car field, and some fun and great times for those who came out to the 1st race 01/28. I hope it'll grow to attract more racers from neighboring states as well, since our series is similar to yours for points and a series championship! I can enjoy three of these races for the cost of ONE national event! The more racers entered, the higher the purse. Ask Al Corda how he likes it, given he won the 1st race. I would've liked it if I was a 1st rnd runner-up, but I luckily made the quarters. The D7 Points Races, and this series are my main focus of this season! 😀

The Hawk 02-11-2017 01:43 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Byron Worner (Post 521424)
Rumor has it... random pair first round.
Please notify any powers to be how these would be detrimental.
Looks like all the worrying was for nothing. Normal qualifying in Pomona.

The Hawk 02-11-2017 02:16 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DIV3CR (Post 523268)
Does Force and Schumacher and other big teams pay a entrance
fee and pay for their pit crew or is it the little guys who pay to play.
Robert a Keller
If a driver has a Pro status (8 to 10 races entered the year previously) their entry and crews are paid. If no Pro status, they pay for entries and crew.

Darrel Goheen 02-12-2017 12:40 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Is there any discount for entering two sportsman classes at a divisional or national event?

Lenny5160 02-12-2017 03:45 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrel Goheen (Post 526728)
Is there any discount for entering two sportsman classes at a divisional or national event?
No, but you get two vehicle and pit vehicle passes!

Bryan Worner 02-12-2017 09:51 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrel Goheen (Post 526728)
Is there any discount for entering two sportsman classes at a divisional or national event?
Discount from NHRA for a racer?????? Are you new??? LOL!!!!

The Hawk 02-12-2017 06:30 PM
Re: National event chaos?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrel Goheen (Post 526728)
Is there any discount for entering two sportsman classes at a divisional or national event?
Yeah, right.

Darrel Goheen 02-13-2017 12:55 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
That's what I assumed but wanted to know for sure. Yes I'm new. Thanks.

jimi 02-13-2017 10:04 AM
Re: National event chaos?
 
I have attended 2 national events in ten years and kicked myself for entering both times.
I saw this crap coming a long time (2001, the no spine graham light) ago and have voiced my opinion on it to fall on deaf ears. ill do association races , some divisional stuff that fits my schedule and street driving (yes my car is still street driven occasionally).


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