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But if they are "stock" and being checked, how can they cheat? #askingforafriend ;)

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None are "STOCK" today.

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Things have really changed over the years. We demoed this unit recently. Hand held with a digital camera showing the section being measured. $55,000


https://www.keyence.com/ss/products/...m_3d/index.jsp

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#crickets... ;)

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As usual the only people up here complaining or throwing out accusations are the people who don't race or are no longer involved!
My heads have not been touched, no porting or whatever else goes on and the valves have been done completely within the rules and it makes pretty good power and overall is a "fast" car as far as the index goes. Maybe all you conspiracy theorist need to go back and watch some more network news and stay off Classracer.......

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Before its all over we shall see......LOL !

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Got it. In your mind the only racers who count, are current racers. Those who help others race need to keep their opinions, or experiences, to themselves.

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Everyone is entitled to an opinion. Should a non-Racer be allowed to influence policy? I think not.

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Just as Billy said and I would add those that come up here day after day to just complain about the current system when they are not involved in the sport at all should get a life and move on. It's ridiculous to see negative post one after another by the same people who don't race NHRA events all day every day!

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Ok question.
Being the new unwritten policy of if you go 120 you will be torn down
I know It’s Indy
. But rules is rules.
Ok let’s hear it. Yes. Or No

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Yes, if I'm causing a hit or taking a hit, I want to know it's right. Even with Indy not causing a hit, that should be the threshold. J.R.

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So.... I come in to this game as a willing participant, knowing its going to take some work, and all I get is flamed by the "current" racers for questioning the rules? (Ran a few races and got my *** kicked.)

Thanks for the invite! "rolled eyes"

"Read Newbe"

I have figured out that I should have done some more homework on the class I chose ... #mybad

Thanks to all of you that have encouraged me to come back out with the car, It is much appreciated!

Challenge Accepted!

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yes !!!!!!!!!!!

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I'm not sure that I fully understand this post.
I get the "newbe" thing. I get the questions. If you don't like being "flamed by the current Racers" then you might try dialing back the sarcasm just a bit (or is it just my read).
Read the rules and play the game the way that you're comfortable playing the game. It's all part of the "homework".
The written rules are IMHO, very vague at best. But no-where in the rules does it say that you have to cheat. Racers make that decision for themselves.

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Hey Chad...was good to see you at Brainerd last week. Steve Koppien and I are always available to help. You've got some good basics covered and just need to build from there. We've got several known - good QJets you're welcome to try. -Al

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And a LOT do just that. They have for years or NHRA would not spend the $$$$$$ for the new toy to check cylinder heads and manifolds nor would they bring back Wesley and Gracia to do the job.

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As Billy stated I'm not exactly sure where you're coming from but my statement was pretty easy to understand I thought. If someone wants to come put generalized statements up here about cheating they better be prepared for some flames to be thrown their way.
I didn't have anything to do with the current system or rules or how they got there. I've never petitioned NHRA for anything but I do follow the rules as written so I take exception to some of the remarks being made. They are welcome to check my heads with whatever they got, digitizer or stick their finger wherever they like!
But what annoys me more than the cheating comments are the guys that come up here day after day with their negative comments about what it used to be or what a waste of money it is to give NHRA my money. Like I said before if they don't like it, move on and get a life I think judging by the "likes" my last comment got about this I speak for alot of people.
It's that simple!

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You have NEVER been on the other side of the fence. I have worked for 3 different ASSociations (The NMCA, The NHRA and the IHRA) since around 1970. I have been dedicated to just stock and Super Stock. I was taught by those who really cared like Greg X. Marty Barratt, Jim Dale, and the Div. 2 tech director (sorry I can not remember his name at this time) who passed away with cancer many years ago and others. I have raced stock and S/S since around 1964 until the early 1980's before being involved in writing the IHRA rule book in the sportsman categories' back in the early 80's. Yeah they got stupid and went to all bracket racing in the last couple of years. Bill Bader was the VERY LAST good owner of IHRA. I have caught cheaters and the higher ups let it slide Before Bill Bader) so I quit about 15 years or so ago and had meetings with Higher ups in NHRA back in the 80's and 90's. THEY DID NOTHING to stop it !!!! There is so much bogus parts and heads, intake manifolds out there you would not believe it. The way they allow the rules to get away from them has NOT been a help. NO ONE is saying you are cheating but Its out there and I could name names but I will not start a war. I have to laugh when some of these same guys walk around puffing their chests out thinking they are better than anyone else. I just hope the NHRA stands behind their word and does something but I will have to read it on here or see it myself to believe it.
I have to believe those who complain the most about the NHRA getting tough again on inspections are the ones who cheat the most.

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Yeah I know it's not what it was 40 years ago but there's not a whole lot of nothing that is. All I'm saying that there is still alot of good people out here doing this and having fun. I'm sorry you are disgruntled about what happened all those years ago but it changes nothing to come up here every day with the negative posts. I can't think of the last time I saw you say anything positive if ever at all. It's not good for your health man! I just don't see the purpose of it, if I hated this as bad as you seem to I wouldn't even come on here and read the stuff.

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This is a members forum, isn't it? Open to those who are admitted? Have you now personally changed the rules for participation in this forum? Next you're going qualify the definition of "racer" or "involved" based on your personal opinion.

That is such friendly, warm and accommodating stance to take, Mr. Williamson.

Is the title of this thread "Indy Teardown Warning"? Wouldn't that include former racers with experience in teardown at Indy? Wouldn't that include shops that assist racers in preparing cars that go to Indy?
I don't see anyone here trying to influence policy. I do see opinions, positive and negative. If someone posts opinions you personally disagree with, use the blocking function and we'll all sleep easier.

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Dude I don't recall tooting your horn but if want jump in and get some you are welcome to. Opinions are like an *** right everyone has one!
It is a members forum and you're welcome to post your opinion but if you come up here with the same boneheaded negative responses to everything everyday don't be surprised if someone makes an objection or takes exception to some efed up accusations. Everyone that is a member can comment on any post they like but they shouldn't get their panties in a wad when someone calls out the BS. I don't recall seeing the blocking function you're talking about but you sure seem to have a problem with blocking my opinions so why don't you give it a try!

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Touched a nerve?
You respond with threats, and you think the problem is with others who post here. I made no threats, I made no accusations, I asked questions. I certainly, in no way, accused you personally. Perhaps my questions triggered your aggressive attitude.

What "accusations" are you referring to? What are you calling BS? Knowledge and experience might prove that what you call "accusations" are actually facts you have no understanding of.
I have no problem with your opinion(s). You need not be so aggressive towards those who disagree with your opinions. That aggression happens often on forums when their is a large discrepancy in post counts such as ours.

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I don't see any threat, a threat would be if I said I was going to harm you or someone else which I didn't. You made a statement that in my mind only current racers should comment which I did not say. I said as usual it's the same people that come up here day after day complaining or whatever that don't race or are not involved anymore. I never said they couldn't comment I just said they need to get a life and spread their negativity somewhere else.
I'm not sure why you refer to post counts but I do have a high post count on here because I provide a service on this forum by doing live threads from all the races I attend.

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you guys are hilarious ... keep it up ken will be charging for the free entertainment.
i can hardly keep my keyboard shut :)

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You do have a large post count from doing the live threads, I appreciate your effort.
I have seen on other forums that members with a large post count tend to relate to low count members in a disdainful manner. I think I've posted more on this thread than I ever have. Which means I don't post often, hence my low post count. Yet it seems I have "posted day after day".
You're correct, I did say that you presented the attitude that only current racers should comment on this topic. Let's look at what you did say as a reply to me specifially:
".... I would add those....not involved in the sport at all should get a life and move on. It's ridiculous to see negative post one after another by the same people who don't race NHRA events.... "
Can you see where someone could interpret that non-current racers need not comment. It's difficult to discern tone from the written word, I often find myself making comments with a humorous or teasing thought, that when typed out send a completely different message.
I think we're not as far apart as our squabbling messages make it seem. Such is life.

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I should just shut my mouth and move on as suggested...(thanks for the welcome...) But, just out of curiosity. How did it go today for the first rounds of qualifying? Who is all there and how did it go?

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Thanks Al! Good seeing you as well. I was hoping Uncle Timmy was feeling well enough to drive the car but that is not happening. I think I have things sorted out a little better but I only have so much time to come play. Maybe see you with this car later this year.

I sure appreciate the help you guys have given me!

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So..... for the learned that were there, did any Stock heads or intakes
get scoped, did any Factory Stock heads or intakes get measured,
or was it fake news to keep everybody on their toes? J.R.

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Terry, I've been on both sides of the fence I've done this a long time you can stay stuck in the 70s if you want. The rules change and the rules were different back then but they're not now so let's live and die by what we have and not piss and moan and groan about what we did have and we don't now. Most of these guys including Cooter Run a legal operation by the rules that we have today and the same as me and everybody else so let's stop beating this dead horse and go by what we have and continue the March

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What happened on all this teardown warning, etc.? From what I saw, it looked like the usual number of cars taken to teardown. Didn't see any digital scanning thingy nor did I see any factory shootout cars teardown, other than a quick look at the manifold.

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From what I saw Fred I was watching in the stands all weekend and it looks like they just did the regular teardown for Indy didn’t see any digital scanning thingy or nothing it could’ve been there but it was probably top-secret One thing I can tell you is it was some great class racing

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Were you the guy sitting in the top row of the starting line bleachers with the red straw hat on for 6 days?

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Evan Smith video from the Tear Down barn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T7Tody1AJQ

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Nothing new about these teardowns. Did the digital scan anything? And they only took apart the usual number of cars.

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If you were there you would have known they tore down plenty of showdown cars. They had a separate tear down.

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"Fred" is everywhere...and nowhere, at the very same time ;-)

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I must’ve been having a sandwich in the top eliminator club when they did the teardown on the factory tires sorry about that And how did you know I had a red straw hat Fred

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Not factory tires factory show down cars sorry and Paul that is one stout pick up 1214 in the class final pretty stout

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I'm sure this scanner talk is just a bunch of talk, just like all the other crap that gets said in the pits. I heard about bogus manifolds with bogus acceptance letters, people allowed to enter with zero grade points and how next year none of this will matter because the AHFS will be in effect for 2020. It seems more like an old lady sewing circle to me with all the BS gossip.