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My new camshaft's here! My new camshaft's here!
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Billy thats great !!!!.:D Were you able to get your old one reground
or did you have to buy new ? Also did you use any of the big name grinders? |
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Happy,happy,joy,joy,happy,happy,joy,joy,today I get to go back to work on my own stuff today! Right after Pop Beard and I make a quick "Junkyard Run".
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Pop and I had a good day at the recycling center(junkyard) and brought home a few parts to "prop up" the rear suspension. I had my eye on a Moby Carlo SS to grab the springs and sway bar but call it bad or good luck, sombody else decided that they wanted the rear and took the lower arms and swaybar. On a lighter note, they left the springs on the ground and the car had a decent set of Delco air shocks just hanging there. So I got the springs that I wanted and I'm sure I'll get 1 good air shock for the right rear for a cost of zip.
I also got the cam in and degreed where I want to start with it. This afternoon I'll be putting on the heads and I'll start "fitting" rocker arms. I'd like to have this thing running around by the weekend. |
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Very anxious to see the results!
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At 8:30 this morning it started and ran. At 9:30 it was at "The Beav". At 10:45 it made it's first pass down a racetrack.
Did it run the index? Yes and no. Is it a good car? Yes and no. And the biggest question, is it under the budget? I don't know, I've got to add up the receipts. Tomorrow, I'll give a "blow-by-blow" of the engine and installation! |
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Proof that the engine is in the car and my nifty $39 Sun gauges(Advance Auto, fit right in the air vents like they were made for it) and $25 tach.
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It's time for me to talk about the engine. It's a 301 2V factored to 155 hp. The car has to weight 3270 for U/SA and it's auto only.
When I first started playing with 301s I found an 80 GP 4V 310 to take to the track and abuse and learn from. When my buddies found out that I was playing with them they started looking for parts for me. One of the parts that turned up was a "Jasper rebuilt" shortblock that was bought for a job by a N.J. shop and the job never got done. It sat under a bench for years open and basically being a garbage can. A buddie saw it sitting there and asked about it, heard the story and asked if it could be bought. $200 later, it was mine. It had to be completely disassembled (which should be done with any engine, IMHO), cleaned out and checked out. It is .030 over, has NHRA approved pistons in it(Silvolite), .010/.010 crank and good old cast iron rebuilders rings in it. I didn't deck the block or turn around pistons or anything like that, I just wanted a good sealing, sound shortblock to learn the combo. It has fit the bill very well. For this project, it got "cleaned out" one more time, reassembled with the original parts and made ready to go again. I selected a cam that is rather different from my 4V 301s in that it is smaller @ .050 to try and build more cylinder pressure and try and make more torque at a lower rpm. One of my "failure" cams was sent out to be reground and that bill came to $80. I've already talked about the heads so with some help from an eagle eyed friend, some dirty work, a reground, preowned cam and a $45 gasket set (dime rocket tip!!! don't buy gaskets seperately, buy an engine set!), I've got a shortblock. There are lighty used and unused shortblocks out there! They just need to be found. Just looking on e-bay in doing some research, I was able to find 302 Fords and V6 Buicks for under $500. The thing that you will want to check is just what piston is in them. Is it NHRA approved? If not, how much can you buy a cast, legal piston for? And if you do buy, always disassemble and inspect! OBTW, one more "Dime Rocket" tip, I don't know how long this is good but "NAPA $19.99 synthetic oil change AND filter". 5 qts. of NAPA synthetic oil(Valvoline) and NAPA Silver filter(Wix). You can't beat that for under $20! Just don't forget the zinc additive. |
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Best affordable engineered award.
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"The Budget";
trans and converter $80 rear $100 wheels and tires $35 tach and gauges $64 driveshaft loop $8 fan $10 fuel system $55 electrical system $37 brake system $10 engine assy $423 total $822 I didn't include sparkplugs or fluids as they would be needed for anything that you would be racing or driving. If you feel the need to then plug in a number. I also didn't itemize, I'm not an accountant. Next time, "The Payoff". |
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Go Billy!!! What lifters and springs were used?. Coolest thread in a while. bob Michael.
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Stock Sealed Power lifters and springs that were taken off of my friends 283 race boat motor. I took them off, checked them for 150# at the height I needed and installed them. I don't have any idea what manufacturer they are.
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Anything special in the ignition system?
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Cool thread, someone at Hod Rod magazine or similar should pick up this story for some good publicity.
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Pontiacchuck asked 3 days ago...So what's the big secret here...how quick was the ET, how fast was the MPH? And how far under did it go? Unless I'm missing something here, that was the point of it all.
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Keep the suspense going, Billy! Gives us something to do every day!
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Stock HEI with the mech advance locked. Cap, rotor, wires and coil that came on the car but I did put a good set of used plugs in it.
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The Payoff;
I took it to "The Beav" on Sunday to see if this project was worth my while or a bust. The excuses, first, I had trouble with the trans leaking on my first run and had to address that before I could go down the track again. Second, even though it was a good day, "The Beav" is not a fast track by any stretch of the imagination (Beardie, a little help). Third, I set the timing at 32* total and have no idea what jets are in the carb so what I'm saying is that I had no time at all to do any tuning. I wound up making 6 runs and all that I did was change the launch RPM and temperatures. The asterik, "The Beav" is an IHRA track so that means that I get to run the IHRA index right? The last pass the car went a 15.159, 87 MPH on a 15.15 IHRA index. Oh yeah, it was 140 lbs. heavy and there was about a 6-8 MPH head wind. I will be taking some weight out of it today and tomorrow and I'll be going back to "The Beav" on Sunday and doing some tuning. So far I'm very happy with it. The converter works better that I thought it would and even though it's too tight and too heavy(it feels and sounds like a stick car with a 55 lb. wheel in it) it seems to let the motor work. It either has to make more power or it needs more gear but that's not happening with the 7.5 rear. The "junkyard" headers are too big and too short but 301 headers don't fall out of trees. I may put a set of my headers on it after a while to see how they work. Curt, stay tuned, I'm just getting started on this. There will be updates. Any suggestions or comments(within the budget)? |
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Having been to, and raced, at Beaver Springs, I can attest to how slow it is.
First, it's up hill. If you sit in the waterbox, in neutral, and take your foot off the brakes, you will roll backwards. 2nd, it's altitude of sorts. I think physical elevations is 1,200' or so, in the hills of central PA. I set the HF/SA record there in June 2004 in Billy's Sunbird. Record was 18.05. DA that day was close to 3,000' (would have to find my old logbooks for exact numbers). Two weeks later, I went to MIlan Michigan. Even though I didn't get points for re-setting my own record, my ego didn't want a -.55 record. SO, in warm, near 3,000' corrected elevation air again, I went 17.74 then 17.71 on the back-up, at Milan. No changes of any kind to the car at all (felt better that my record was now -.89 under. OBTW, I ran 17.59 (-1.01 under) at Budds Creek MD earlier that year, actually spinning the tires on worn out old slicks). So, yes, Beaver IS slow compared to many tracks. Especially for slower, lower-powered cars. |
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Not a bad light,for an old man.Put the Billy Tubes on it.Like you said,there's probably more in the fuel system.What size tire you running out back?And finally see if Bob will let you run from the finish line to the starting line,plenty of room to stop that bucket of bolts.Just some friendly suggestions.
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Hey Billy, take out .06-.08 for the head wind and correct the ET to sea level and your at or under the NHRA index. Now, for a certain down hill NE sea level track and a few of those 00 bulbs.
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Billy great job, wow RT is money in the bank! Keep it up, someone must have a 12 bolts lying and gathering dust somewhere with a set of 5:13, come on people look in your backyard under the wood pile and send it to Billy! Claude
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I'm getting too old for this stuff. I spent this afternoon taking the interior out to remove some weight. I managed to get 45 lbs. of carpet backing and sound deadener out of it.
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Great job Billy! You'll be under the index soon.
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Time for the Monday morning update! What a difference a week makes. I went from dealing with good air at a slow track to bad air at a slow track. After going a 15.15 @ 87.06 on my last pass I was none too happy with my off the trailer 15.41 @ 85.5. Checking with the locals brought about the consensus that it was .15 and 2 MPH slower than last week.
Long story short, I made 5 runs, 2 in eliminations so I wasn't making any major changes but over the course of my 3 TT runs I went down 6 jet sizes and up 4* on my timing and tuned the car back to a 15.22 @ 86.99. I'm at least heading in the right direction. Next week I'm not going tuning on a race day. I'd like to go to Mason-Dixon for a T+T on Saturday. M-D is a fairly fast track. If I can't make it, I'll be at "The Beav" for Saturday T+T. I have to find a way to make the headers work better so I'm going to make a Y-pipe this week. That won't kill the budget. I'm at a point where I'm going to have to move my cam timing around to find out anything more. Any other comments or suggestions? OBTW, Eddie, 37 cents. |
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Rustoleum and a foam roller works pretty good too. |
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Nice hood scoop location on that car in the other lane.LOL
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He DID say he was going to lighten it up a little....
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Do you have the drivers side tied down so the fuel doesn`t slosh away from the jets? There IS a better way lol
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