Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Wasn't there another driver a one point driving this Superbird or did Tim always do the driving chores.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Wasnt Glidden racing Pro Stock in 72?
You can ENTER 2 cars-youCANT drive 2 cars

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1971,
Ray Allen switches to GoodYear Slicks

pchttp://community-2.webtv.net/musclec...s/mailedD6.jpg

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http://i.ebayimg.com/00/$(KGrHqQOKkY...bu3rg~~_12.JPG

1970/1971 LS-6 Intake Manifold
Chevrolet Part #3963569
Low-Riser Big Block Dual-Plane

Carburetor Holley 800 CFM (1 11/16" x 1 11/16")
Square bore carburetor mount / rectangular-shape intake port

The Low-Riser was required, to allow for proper hood clearance.
Intake was for both the Corvette and Chevelle SS454 LS-6 cars.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

The first National event race Glidden made in Pro stock he was runner up against Grumpy at the world finals LATE in 1972 in a 2nd hand Gapp and Roush Pinto that originally wouldnt go down the track straight when he first tried racing it, he had only one engine, a Ford top loader trans, and a ramp truck to carry it on. Grand total of $10,000 investment.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

and the SuperNationals at Ontario...

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A side view would show the carb mounting pad being nearly lower than the tops of the runners.....

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Rich,,,,,,,

That's for the Chevy guys to post,,,,,,,
I'm Mopar,,,,,,so if I post that photo,,,,,,,,,I will be a Benedict Arnold,,

Technical info,,,,
The carburetor mounting-base on the #3963569 Low-Riser Intake manifold,,,,,,,,,,only 1.25" above the cylinder head ports...

pc

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No body used that manifold, the 1970 rule book stated you could use another gm intake with a max + 1 inch and a 1inch spacer, they all used the highrise untill the rules went to aftermarket intakes.

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Bob,,,,,,
Correct,,,,,,,,,,the #3963569 Low-Riser was the factory intake,
which nobody used in Super Stock for 1970.

but, many racers in 1970, used the 1969 #3933163
Aluminum Dual-Plane High-Riser, which was standard on
the 1969 396/375HP and 427/425HP engines,,,,,,

or an after-market
(ie; Edelbrock or Weiand or Offenhauser) Aluminum Dual-Plane High-riser.

pc

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I remember those being called "low profile alluminum intakes"

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

The 396 and 427 intakes were later legal for A/SA as Kenny Koonce used one on his 1970 Chevelle LS-6 car in stock.

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Say what, lol.
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/50899-BriggsDyno.jpg

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Edelbrock Model #C427
Used for the 1970 LS-6 454 cars in Super Stock

http://victorylibrary.com/graphics/C427.jpg


Later, the new version Edelbrock Model #C427X,
which I think came out in 1971.

http://victorylibrary.com/graphics/C427X1.jpg

Both manifolds designed for 'rectangular-port' cylinder heads,
and carburetor mounting base for the Model #4150 800 CFM Holley.

pc

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Ray Allen, 1971 photo,,,,,,,,,,,,Edelbrock Manifold Decal

http://usera.imagecave.com/vorhaus/R...ggs%20Chev.jpg

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Mike,

1970 NHRA Schedule was
* Winternationals (January)
* Gatornationals (February)
* Springnationals (June)
* Summernationals (July)
* Indy Nationals (September
* World Finals (October)
* Supernationals (November)

The Super Stock Magazine Nationals (May 8/9/10) were not
part of the NHRA NED 1 circuit.

NED 1 Points Meets;
* Englishtown, New Jersey (May)
* Capitol Raceway, Maryland (May)
* Cecil County Drag-O-Way, Maryland (June)
* Island Dragway, New Jersey (July)
* York U.S. 30 Drag-O-Way, Pennsylvania (August)
* Connecticut Dragstrip, Connecticut (September)

Ray Allen 1970
* Won SS/EA Class at the Indy Nationals (September)
* Won Super Stock Eliminator at the World Finals (October)
* Won Super Stock Eliminator at the Supernationals (November)

* 1970 World Champion (Super Stock)
* Ned 1 Points Champion (Super Stock)
* Won '9' consecutive Super Stock Eliminator Events @ Englishtown
* Won $40,000 in prize money over a 6-week period (10/8 thru 11/20)

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Ray Allen's/Briggs Chevrolet Chevelle Malibu SS454 LS-6 (1973 photo)

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/3...audeurevig.jpg

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Mike,

Don Grotheer did not run a SS/E Hemi Plymouth Superbird,,,

He did run a 1969 1/2 (440 6-barrel) Road Runner, 4-speed in SS/G.

http://www.carpictures.com/media/ima...22627722A.jpeg

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Hey, HemiMoose, I wrote that General Kinetics ad when I was the Marketing Manager and phone tech guy back then, I, also, wrote and edited their first real catalog. Still have a copy.
Dave Colbert

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Ray Allen at Raceway Park, Englishtown, New Jersey,,,,,

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6...llection05.jpg

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A couple of other 'Winged Warriors' getting into the act.....

http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/bbigwillie3.jpg

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Yes Big Willie & Tomico 69 Hemi Daytonas, but weren't they just street racers that did some match races across the country promoting the brotherhood.
http://mapleleafmopars.homestead.com/bbigwillie.jpg

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A new entry into SS/EA,
the 1971 Hemi Cuda (convertible's).
The Ray Allen 1970 SS/EA set record 11.31 is posted on the driver side window.
SS/EA record re-set by Dick Landy in early 1971 at 11.27
Then, again later in 1971,,by Carroll Fink,,,,at 11.17

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/t...daConv_1__.jpg

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Another SS/EA entry, and new '1973 Record Holder' at 11.09 @ 125.17

Terry Earwood driving the 'Steve Bagwell' 71' Hemi Cuda (convertible).

http://blog.hemmings.com/wp-content/...da_03_1000.jpg

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Ron,

On the 1970 426 Hemi Superbird,,,,,
In 1975, the car held the B/SA,,, NHRA National Record,
11.76 @ 117.64

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Just for comparison.....the 11.09 125.17 SS/EA record posted above on asphalt with 10 to12 inch tires

A 125mph run with todays 9" tires/ concrete starting lines and engines/drivelines would usually be in the mid 10 second zone......A half second faster ET with similar MPH.....

If you look at old pictures there is almost always some smoke off the tires on the launch.....mostly with Stickshift Stockers on 7" tires...

SS'ers and automatics were hooked a lot better.....

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Ray Allen @ Indy 1971,,,

http://www.classracer.com/classforum...pictureid=2289

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Hey BadBanana, do you remember any more stories from the team that worked on Ray Allen's Chevelle SS that you mentioned in an earlier post, maybe talk about the camshaft profile they used or any other interesting points about them building the car, were you ever present at any dyno sessions, or did they ever talk about any extra weight added to the car anywhere, etc.

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Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

There were no "dyno sessions" back then. Dynos were not common or as regularly used by drag racers or their engine builders.

T/K did not have a dyno untill they moved to the place they were in for many years....and well after the Chevelle....

John Hoffman may have had a dyno in the old days but I am not sure....He built them and sold them.

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Rich is correct, the shop in Piscataway was very small. The Greenbrook shop was where the dyno was put in by the mid 70s

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As many have said before, the GM 163 hi-rise intake fits just fine with the original carb & cowl induction air cleaner setup on the '70 Chevelles...that's what we run on Red Alert [see below].

LOL, don't laugh, our original "Red Alert" '70 LS6 Chevelle has fiber optics, rear defrost, power windows, console, etc...decked out for a friggin' race car. She's heavy, but she can still get 'em off the ground...

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You really need an Alf Wiebe rear suspension......Way to much chassis twist.....

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But the ladies love it! :D

We still have the Dick Gazan setup (that was later bought by Morrison?) on the car that Bill Stephensen had Dick install back in the late '80s/early '90s when he was match racing it regularly. I think that shot is before we put the new shocks on it, but it still has a little twist to it...we've checked and re-checked the rear setup, and it still twists a little? Our Nova leaves straight as a string, but not the Chevelle...!

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

I built engines for a racer who posts on here.....Ed Bigley....

He had a '68 Chevelle and it had Alf Wiebe rear suspension.....http://classracer.com/classforum/alb...pictureid=5258

The car went in the 9's on a small tire. It did big wheelstands on every pass on a decent starting line and there was no twisting of the front end.....


I looked at the Wiebe bars and they are very trick.......I am not sure if he still makes and sells them though....

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Yenko built '99' 'Special 1969 Chevelle COPO 427 cars.
Code #9562

http://image.superchevy.com/f/991019...+side_view.jpg

Re: Ray Allen versus Jack Werst '1970 SS/EA Showdown'
 

Why didnt anyone use the "474" highrise manifold back then? It even had an open plenum.

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1970 Summernationals @ York US30 Drag-O-Way
SS/EA Class Winner
Tim Richards in the Karl Gould 1970 Superbird 426 Hemi
(engine by Sox & Martin, transmission by Tim Richards)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-EymgSWq_42...perbird+05.jpg