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Speaking of balls! I can't believe you posted that. Thanks RJ

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675hp sounds more realistic.

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They make quite a bit more than my SS LT1.

That HP hit didn't hurt them at all.

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Yup......and it makes that on a bad day!!!

We're selling it though, want to build the 428 Windsor Combo, can't believe it will make over 880hp with the" new improved" pieces for 2014. Ford is releasing the info at SEMA this week, so keep an eye out for the news.

Hope to get some power knocked off so we can be competitive with the Copo's and the new Dodge's. It needs about 35 hp taken off. But it nots a Chevrolet so might be for naught. Maybe get ole Greg Hill to give us some pointers LOL.

RJ

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I guess I missed it. When did someone get 35hp off?

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The 1970 LT1 like I run was rated at 360 hp from the factory, but is rated 325 now, as it has been for many, many years. I don't think anyone in their right mind would consider building one at 360.

I want to know how to get smaller rod journals, a bigger carburetor, and Edelbrock heads legalized for my combo, or is that just ok for Fords?

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Ed

Its just a guess you understand.....but I think it was the 1970 350/360 hp Camaro Combo that somehow got a 35 hp reduction at the beginning of 2003. I believe it is now a whopping 325 hp.

How many times have you seen that happen??

Makes you wonder! LOL

RJ

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Andrew, you got a 780 Holley which will flow more than a 1000 cfm throttle body. A 1000 cfm has 750 holes in the bottom. Looking at the specs on your motor, makes mine look like the truck motor it is derived froml 11 to one, same roller rockers I got, same cam, choice of 8 heads, some new manifold that nobody knows about, big carb (whichcfm for cfm will make more power-according to the manifold makers) and 325, all the 350's in 70 and 71 are suspect. If I had that I could run 9.70s and RJ could run 9.60's cause he is a better tuner. I guess you guys are in your right mind. I had a 35 Hudson Teraplane fastback with a V12 Hemi that got 10 off, and Sammy P. has gotten about 200 off that 427 thing he runs. RJ, nobody likes us old guys. I'm gonna complain to the AARP.

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I’m not sure what RJ is talking about. We aren’t releasing anything.

We are working on a new 429 for the 2014 model that has different heads but they would not be backwards compatible.

Re: Looks like hp on Tuesday
 

Still 5 more than that 390 with all the aftermarket parts. It's also the second highest rated carbureted small block in the guide (behind the same motor in the Corvette, 5 hp more).

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Andrew

Your asking the wrong guy, I dropped out of school and joined the Marines in 1964, so I don't have much of a thought process to fall back on.

You on the other hand will probably be graduating Summa Cum Laude from Old Notre Dame and with out a doubt have more of a handle on how to figure out your own question.

LOL

RJ

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Ain't my fight but didn't some 62 Corvette get 75 off a few years ago, not even to mention the miraculously "raised-from-the-dead" 383 Mopars and 390 Fords

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Jeff no respect indeed!! Whats an old guy gonna do?? I think we ought to raise the "Bullying" defense against these young guys!!

Randall shame on you, the 383's and the 390's were dogs from the time they were built, but "Raised from the Dead" is a little strong!! Can we get a little help.

Andrew I was bragging on you and you let me down, tst... tst..... The 390 320/327 with all the gifts still is rated more than your "gifted" 350/360/325hp. LOL

RJ

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Jeff need to talk to you about getting me a job selling cars?? I think I still have the touch.

I would need the "3 D's". A draw, a driver and the day off.

RJ

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You guys are cracking me up. LOL

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You can tell it's already the off season for most! Let the fun begin!

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You're forgetting the 1971 Boss 351 at 355.

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The 69 LT1 is at 400hp in the vette, stick only.

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Jeff, unless I miss my guess, I'm pretty sure the 1000 cfm EFI throttle body does not have a big booster venturi hanging out in the middle of each of those 750 cfm Holley sized throttle bores. I'm pretty sure those are a considerable restriction.

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It also flows only air, no fuel

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I never sat in one of those new Mustangs but they must be hard to see out of to take a 1/2 second stripe on a heads up run. :D

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I know one thing about this whole discussion and that's the Boss is definitely over rated.

Rick

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Alan; correct again! and if the booster is a restriction, how about the fuel molecule that the carb shares air space with that the throttle body does not? BTW; I'd love to have an engine in my stocker that makes 1.95 per inch that is NHRA factored at .95....should be pretty fast huh?

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Interesting question on the air flow.

We have done extensive testing comparing a 780 against the t/b and a carb with and without boosters. Would you believe that a carb without the boosters only flows a single digit increase compared to a 780 with the boosters?

. What really helps the 780cfm flow more air than the t/b is that the carb is nearly 3 times the height (counting the air horn) as compared to a 2 inch t/b. The carb, due to its" tunnel design", has the advantage of increased velocity compared to the t/b.

This helps in the atomization of the fuel and gives it a "heavy charge" and that results in almost a 30% increase in the flow/velocity for the 780 carb compared to a "dry" T/B.

Its really elementary physic's.

How'd that sound??

RJ

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Not being a smart a.. RJ but with you switching to a Mustang doesn't that mean that you will be doing to older cars what you had done to you at Indy? Just saying ��

Your car is bad fast too!

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or how about this?

Fuel droplets that are introduced into modified tunnel chambers (carb), actually give the air a friction fighting orgasmic attitude which steadily increases the air speed and flow capabilities of the fuel charge, as opposed to a dry air funnel effect as in the case of an t/b.

RJ

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Ed.....every chance I get!!

I figure that with the way I drive I will need all the advantages that I can get. Every time I beat an old car I will buy the driver supper and express my deepest apologies .

RJ

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Actually, you're right. Visibility sucks due to the tiny little quarter window that gets worse when replaced with those louvers. I find the new Camaros to be even worse though.

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That's what I was thinking too.

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RJ;
You are truly a funny guy! Elementary Physics? Heavy charge? Orgasmic? Funny stuff Maynard! The term "butt monkey" comes to mind but a little humor is needed on C/R; Keep up the good work.

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True Story. Trust me. When we took our Top Stock motor in 09 (which was the basis for the 360 DP motor), we sent the manifold to Wilson, had injector holes put in the thing, put a Fast system on it, 1000 cfm TB, made 10 less. Just to be sure, we put the carb back on the thing, and it made 10 more. Wilson said that is the case because the fuel starts atomizing higher up. The low and behold when NASCAR got EFI, the injectors are in the top of the manifold instead of near the head. Who knew? RJ, you could be the manager of my tote-the-note lot. You are qualified. Now about that 780. We had a 750 double pumper on the TS car.

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And, people cry about the fuel injected cars having an advantage. You guys aren't the first to find this.

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Ed, we thought we had something wrong. I guess the manageability is worth the effort, but if that system don't work right, it Nightmare On Elm Street. We have had problem with more than one system losing sync and just firing and blowing things up from the starters, to a rod out the side and all kinds of other Alien things.

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Thanks Tom, but every thing that I wrote about the cfm of the carb vs. t/b is a given.

RJ

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An errant 16 volt battery charger killed two ECUs for me before I figured out what was happening. One at Ennis, the other one at Noble. Thanks to Slate for loaning one to me at Noble. Would have been no problem with a carb.