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And if your DP came with Dodge A-100 seats, you would still buy and drive it.

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If you want the ultimate racing seat, check it out;
http://www.joieofseating.net/index.html

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Not what I said, Clutch This.

What I said was , rather than lobbying for The Expenditure of The Week, if you have a weak , or problem area, fix it . If you need a slot for a Y harness or crotch strap to make it line up in a safe manner , do it professionally, and no tech man is going to say anything. Nobody is going to look under your seat cover to see if you strengthened something up.
Of course, a 3 time World Champion would know that, wouldn't he?

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Really ?
This is what you said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Charley Downing View Post
That is correct Art but I this case we are talking about two different cars. This has never happend before because they have never paid contingency for a championship.
must have lost the kicking contest thank you from the 3x world champ
Last edited by clutch man; 11-29-2011 at 05:28 PM.



So either you're Kevin Helms, you're Greg Stanfield,...or you're full of crap..

We'll let the readers be the judge...

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Mark,
He did'nt say what he was 3X world champ of?
I don't think he's Stanfield, correct me if I'm wrong but I think Stanfield won 4 in SS and he was automatic in SS,or was it 3 SS and 1 PS/T?
Mike Taylor 3601

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Guys, I only changed the Stock rules A LITTLE...

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My car regularly goes over 130 and I don't want the seat rule changed

I take the responsibility to make sure my seat is secured and my belts are tight and my safety equipment correct and I am more confident with the factory seat than many of the aftermarket seats that are often mounted poorly. Looking at some of these seats makes me realize that weight is the primary reason for installing them, not safety. Sure there are some good ones, but not many are safer than a good stock one.

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1970 camaro seat
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/211898...ro#21189830011

Aftermarket seat
http://www.jegs.com/p/Scat/Procar-Pr...68352/10002/-1

Would a seat like the second one as a replacement really detract from the stock look? They seem to be made a lot better than the originals

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Yak,

You are wasting your time talking to a bunch of Johnny come lately, no name strokes who want to mold Stock Eliminator into their vision.........

Valve springs, cams, rocker arms, transmissions, brakes, pistons, rods, pans, wheelie bars, fuel cells, trunk mounted batteries, any rear end, 2 steps, 3 steps, 4 steps (I lost count), aluminum heads, larger replacement carbs, clutch-less transmissions with slipper clutches and now seats (I know that I missed a lot of rule enhancements)..........

How about that dangerous window glass that should be replaced by Lexan or those dangerous hoods that should be replaced with fiberglass because they are only held in place by a 40 year old hood latch??????????????

When will you guys stop screwing up Stock???????????

You don't like the rules, take a hike and go to another eliminator and change that rather than ruining Stock.......

I am sick and tired of all of the self-serving, know nothing, no name strokes that showed up the day before yesterday ruining Stock.......

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"I've taken every other spring out of >>>>back <<<<<seats to lighten then "

Beyond that, I'm through with keyboard racers or three time tiddly winks world champions

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First off,this is an honest to goodness situation that I saw with my own eyes. A number of years ago I had a buddy in stock eliminator that
took some parts to a shop to have them chemically cleaned( if you know what I mean) anyway there was a set of completely de-upholestered
Camaro front seats there for chemically cleaning . Both seats were
sitting in front of me with a tag with the customers name on them.(Yes, he raced at the same track as I did) Now I dont know how much weight was removed from them,but they definately came back with less metal on them. Were the seats compromised as
far as safety,dont know,but how far does it go? If safe lightweight racing
are allowed hopefully no one will try and modify them even further.

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I think Trista Henderson should have to sit on 1969 Phone books in her Nova so she can see the tree.

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This has gotten ridiculous real fast. All I would like is for NHRA to open up to allowing a racer to switch to a stock appearing racing safety seat *if* he (or she) wants to. I really don't see this as killing Stock Class racing! After seeing horrendous crashes of some Stock race cars and seeing many seat failures in street crashes as a career Paramedic, I know I would feel safer with a quality race seat. I would like the option that's all.

I also do not appreciate being called a Johnny come lately, no name stroke by you Bob. I probably have been racing Stock and Super Stock much longer than you and I am entitled to my opinion. Maybe you would rather race without a helmet or 5 point harness because they don't look stock? Jim


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Jim,

If you are not a Johnny come lately, no name stroke disregard that statement...

Just remember that rules changes stack up and what rule change do you think will be the end of Stock??????

In 2013 NHRA might just leave Section 10 out of the rule book....

I also raced my car in Stock Eliminator back in 1963 at West Hampton & Islip.....Moved to California in 1965

I would prefer not to get into a contest about who started first....

Let us make it be about NOT being who will be the last car to go down an NHRA drag strip in Stock Eliminator

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what is stock in stock?

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For those of us who remember,I believe back in 1971 NHRA drastically
changed the rules for stock eliminator. Basically all the stock eliminator
cars were mandated to go to superstock.Stock eliminator was now a
clean sheet of paper,with very few modifications allowed. No slicks or headers.Factory cam shafts only.It was pure stock with open exhausts.
Now I believe NHRA was fed up giving all the stock guys all their little
requests for so many years that the cars running stock were far ,far away
from anything resembling a stock vehicle. I remember asking the Div 1
tech director why the drastic change and he said there were so few
differences between stock and super stock that they felt it best to
combine the classes and make stock more like its namesake. I think
we need to look at this again. How many differences are there between
the stock and super stock classes! ed

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The rule book use to say stock appearing seats. It never said that seats had to be the right year for the car. When you have cars going 150 mph plus maybe racing seats should be an option. Oh I forgot those cars that run that fast have racing seats.

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Maybe if the term "Racing Seat" was changed to "Sports Car Seat" or "Touring Car Seat" would be more acceptable. The stamped aluminum seats which require custom bent CM tubing frame welded and a thin cover are not stock appearing. Be careful what you wish for because the investment in the purchase, fabrication and installation can be substantial. The image of SS, Comp, PS legal seats will never be digested as in any way stock appearing. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Upholstered, padded sports car seats could be acceptable. Many production cars through the years have been supplied with Recaro and other well known aftermarket seat manufactures products for years. Don't know about bench seats but will say the the seat in my 2007 Silverado 2500 HD is much better than my old 73 K1500 Sierra Grande. So there may be units from late model cars that could be acceptable.
More than likely these seats will be heavier than your 40 year old stuff but it will be safer and bring opportunity to move some lead around. :D;):eek:

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Seats is not changing stock into someone else's vision. It is a legit safety issue, and if you want to play dumb go right ahead. Guess what, you're going to see parachutes on stockers in just a few months here, because they are going in the 8's at 150+. That ought to make your head explode. Bob, stock has evolved alot since my dad set a national record back in 66, with his 65 corvette he drove every day. Some of the changes have been good, some have not. But racers continued to push the envelope, and things were legalized. Some out of safety, some out of necessity, some for no good reason at all. It sounds like by your method of thinking, you'd prefer us all to be driving cars with no roll bars, just a lap belt, and 7" cheater slicks. As much as a lot of wish certain things were different, we are where we are. And where we are is cars capable of running 8's, with very little weight in them, on 9" tires. The first time some checkbook racer who has no experience with such a car drops the anchor not to break out and ends up in his competitors door, its going to be a disaster. I pray we never find out how bad it could be. Changing seats is not a weight issue in my mind, its a safety issue. If people are so concerned about the weight, start weighing rear percentage stockers ( like they used to in SS). I just can't fathom the level of ignorance it takes to honestly WANT to make things more dangerous than they have to be, with no major changes to the cars.

PS your comment about the hoods is ridiculous, although I did see at hood latch fail on a 69 camaro at the Sportsnationals in Belle Rose. I hope the driver had a full face helmet, because there was glass everywhere.

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Special hood, special suspension, special steering, special tires, special brakes, special cylinder heads, special rockerarms, special engine block, special intake manifold, . My mint restored STOCK 1970 AAR Cuda.

My Drag Pak is much safer and waaaay more relaxed to drive at speed!!

Peter Ash

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Did they get a hold of you peter?

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Pure Stock Eliminator in IHRA is what NHRA Stock Eliminator was 30 years ago..........

Maybe after Stock evolves into Super Stock, and that will happen the way it's going, NHRA can copy IHRA and start all over again with a true Stock Eliminator????????????

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where is the violyn same ol

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Amen Whaley

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Grow up

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last I checked Whaley and I aren't the ones stuck in the 60's

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What do you mean?

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yep

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In the words of a well-known, well-respected NHRA Tech man, "Stock is what passes tech."

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lol

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All of the safety equipment we use only makes our racing safer not 100% without risk. Stock seats are nothing but steel, foam, and upholstery. If you have not tried to make your stock seat stronger or safer, then you have no need for a replacement custom lightweight aluminum carbon fiber racing seat.

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Dfwamfr

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Yeah, reminds me of fuel check, an issue NHRA brought on themselves. Used to be "pump gas" until they let H&H in. From then on it was "anything that passes our fuel check" is legal.

A well known Pro Stock racer at a D2 race once asked me to inquire about checking Pro Stock gas. The "man in charge" (I won't mention names) told me "We have no way to check for what they are doing." In other words, it passed our tests so (today) it's legal.

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No Jeff, I didn't say that.

But to clarify, I will paraphrase what I previously said: The new cars have better seats, more appropriate to racing than the older cars.

As a result, they are probably safer than the older cars seats. So for someone to say that there is a greater or increasing safety greater risk with the seats in the newer faster cars, is not entirely accurate.

I do agree though, that as long as it isn't just an excuse to provide a weight advantage, older cars should be allowed to have newer safer seats.

David
The New Hemi Guy

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So NHRA could allow heavy racing seats, verified to weigh as much as stock? Another area to police. . .

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All you safety conscious racers would be happy with a aftermarket safer seat that is as heavy as the stock seat it is replacing. YEAH RIGHT!!!!!

All this BS is ONLY about wanting lighter weight seats in Stock.

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Nope. Not even close. Keep your head in the sand if you want

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I think Jason hit the nail on the head. Every time someone wants to slip something into stock or super stock that wasn't legal before, they always use the 'greater safety' rationale.

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If you aren't aware what A-100 seats are, they are seats from the A-100 vans produced in the mid 1960's and were used in the SS MOPAR package cars of the 1960's. Like the SS Hemi Dart / Barracuda.
That's great the new DP package cars come with Viper seats. But, I'd bet they would sell just as many DP package cars if they came with old A-100 seats. And everybody would still race them that way if they had too.

And for the record, I don't have a problem with running OEM type seats in a Stocker. Like Viper seats in a 1970 Challenger or 2012 GT-500 seats in a 1967 Mustang. Or I guess I wouldn't have a problem with those seats in an AMX or Camaro. What I fear is that once the rule says "aftermarket seats allowed in Stock class", then the door is open to Kirky seats or even Pep Boy specials that look best in a modified Ricer with Lambo doors.