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It looks like minivan might be gone...

So can yo experts out there tell me what various models the turbos came in? The omnis and any of the other shelby branded models are nearly impossible to find and going up in value, so i would like to find a dodge branded turbo car.

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Dodge: Daytona, Shadow, Omni, Lancer, Spirit w/DOHC
or a Chrysler Lebaron

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Back in the '70's and '80's, Dan Rockwell in Div.1 had a very strong Pinto wagon...I think it ran either V/S or W/S?? Wheelies back then, 14 second e.t.'s. with a 4-speed??? Not sure if trans was 'stock'....rear end was,initially I think, then he changed to 9"?

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Thanks for the info!

Ok one last question.....

I thought that i'd seen someone race an Eagle Talon AWD Turbo in stock. But I do not see Eagle listed in the classification guide.

Is it not a legal combo for Stock?

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1988 -1990+ Quad 4 Oldsmobile Calais was a great car to run. We ran both automatics and sticks. The engine was very reliable, and has a lot more potential than we ran it at. Qualified #1 at eleven NHRA National events in 1989 ! Consistent Class winner .

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92 Plymouth Laser is in the book but I think now you can only run FWD version, could have been different a few years ago.

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If a car cannot be found in the guide, is there any way of having considered for the classification guide?

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The manufacturer has to provide the specs to NHRA, you'll have to find someone at the OEM to provide them. For Ford/GM/Chrysler NHRA tech may know who at the OEM you would have to call. Outside that I'm not positive where you'd start-probably call NHRA and get a list of the specific items they need.

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I know i'm asking a lot of questions, but the more research i do the more i have.

So i'm now looking at the Ford Probe turbo car as a possibility. It is in the guide in '91 through '93 but it says NES (no engine spec). Why is it even in the guide if they don't have any specs for it?

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Okay, here it is, some vintage video of Dan Rockwell's Pinto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsEB5Zv_6P0

If interested in a Full length DVD, almost a hour long, of this 1981 Connecticut Dragway NHRA Points meet, which includes Stock and Superstocks (imagine, no GT cars or 3rd Generation Camaro's!) Modified with Alky FC and Dragster (one with a SOHC Ford Cammer motor!) and some Super Gas email me at will427@optonline.net

Will Lamprecht I/S #1427

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Sean, the body is in there, so it may be used as a SS/GT, Modified car, etc. In March of 2000, I went to a Nat'l Open in Delmar Delaware with a rental car, to gain a grade point. It was a 1999 Grand Am SE four door. I had not done all my homework, and had not noticed the "NES" listed for that combination. The tech person said the car was not eligible because of the NES. When asked why the car was still in the Guide, that is the reason he gave me. Which didn't make sense to me, since four door cars (at the time) were not legal for SS/GT (at the time, 1980 and newer two doors only in GT). But, I was a nineteen year old rookie and didn't want to argue or make any waves. I wouldn't be so nonchalant about it now. I would have been perfectly happy to be allowed the grade point, make one run, and get DQ'd at fuel check. It wouldn't run the Index anyways, so it wasn't like I was going to win the race. I ended up getting my entry money back, and ran the bracket race with it. But, I believe that is the answer to your question. If I am wrong, Travis or someone I'm sure can correct me/us.

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Thanks Mike. I guess I have another combo to try and get added to the class guide.

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'89 Dodge Aries 2-door with a 2.5 Turbo engine might be a contender for A/FS. Light body, same engine/trans as the Minvans, Daytonas, etc.

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I would stay away from A the SRT4's run that class.
The turbo's don't care much about weight. And the 2.5 is no match for them.

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I dunno - if you could get an Aries/Reliant down to min weight, I bet you'd be able to run low 13's. Of course, the SRT's have run 12.9 before.

The only other car that might give an SRT a run in A/FS would be the '86 T2 GLHS.

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Aries/Reliants never came from Chrysler with turbo motors to my knowledge. Also Marcus86GLHS has had his car in the 12.9x range with what he told me was a stock Garrett and no porting. A custom cal, +20's, 3" exhaust, and drag radials. Probably not legal weight and on pump gas, but it can get there I'm sure. It will be interesting to see where my "S" car ends up when finished. Reaching minimum weight won't be a problem. I'm also pretty confident the SRT's aren't showing their full hand. If the AEM is a legal setup in the car, or the use of SCT, those cars should be good for mid 12's, IMO.

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1989 Dodge Class Guide has the 2-door Aries with the (unfactored) 2.5 T1 engine in it as a 15.33 lb/hp car. That would make it a fairly heavy A/FS car. But, still an interesting combo.

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That car is carrying 165 hp not the stock 150. If someone gets serious with an SRT4 It will (has) run high 11's. The 2.5 motor is all over at about 5300. The SRT 4 can make power past 8000 it has 4 valves per hole. The stock rules allow a cam of .430 lift The cam I'm running now has .433 (modified motor)You put a cam an a good ecu in one. It would fly.

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Rob,
You forgot my Daytona :eek: from the list.

I would look at a PT turbo with a plastic intake not the aluminum one with an auto trans.

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A VERY capable combination, we ran ours at a couple IHRA races. Our concern was if we ever had to tear it apart it'd take DAYS.

How you been John?

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John I'm looking at using the bottom part of the manifold on my car with a box plenum on top of it.

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If you prep the PT in case you have to pull the head it should not be too bad. The aero is not the best but you have the same base engine as the SRT's.

Tim,
Working on going full time in the shop building transmissions and prep'ing cars. I have quite a few people asking me to build or consult on their Challenger package car for Stock, S/S Eliminator.
The A413/904 input shafts and KD levers are still popular and I will have a manual valve body w & w/o trans brake soon.

Art,
What engine are you running ?

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2.4 N/A 12.5 comp. JE's GRP rods, crane 4.33 lift cam, head by forward motion, trans brake by Chad Kilbeck. PTC converter 3.72 final drive.
I just ordered new pistons 14 to 1. And was going to use the .490 lift cams then crane went bust.

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Sounds like a good combination. What size throttle body are you running ?
Are you planning to run a log manifold on top of the PT lower ?

If so, you end up with the throttle body opening aiming to the side of the car. I would run the Mitsu head with the intake on the back side and an intake similar to the PT. That way the intake opening is aimed to the front of the car.

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John you have a PM.

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Didn't Ford put a turbo on a 4cyl in the mustangs in the late '70's. What would that combination be like.

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I can't speak on the late 70's Mustangs. However, there have been at least three fast 80's Fords with turbos in the past few years, I believe they were all 140 cid motors. Mark Walton had an I/FI Mustang, Mark Yacavone has a U/S-V/S Mustang, and Bob Shaw had a U/SA Capri. All were/are damn fast.