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oldskool 12-06-2017 01:23 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Shaw (Post 550685)
I was thinkin the 265 hp engine.

According to the Class Racer Info site, the 2 engines have different heads.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...5&MAKE=Pontiac

The 265hp engine is allowed 90cc heads. The 290hp engine is allowed 68cc heads. That's a lot of compression difference. Also, the 290hp engine is allowed a cam with more intake lift. Not sure how much power difference those 2 items would make. Would the difference be 25hp ?

Anybody have an educated guess ? :confused:

oldskool 12-06-2017 01:32 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
"...So, lets say he builds the car. What are the chances he could get the hp factor reduced to a reasonable number, and aprox how long would that process take ?..."

Would he have to run several div races ? Would he have to know somebody with pull, in the racing world or NHRA ? What exactly is involved in getting the hp factor reduced ?


So, any real world experiences that answer any or all these questions ? :confused:

Bob Shaw 12-06-2017 09:28 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oldskool (Post 551219)
According to the Class Racer Info site, the 2 engines have different heads.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...5&MAKE=Pontiac

The 265hp engine is allowed 90cc heads. The 290hp engine is allowed 68cc heads. That's a lot of compression difference. Also, the 290hp engine is allowed a cam with more intake lift. Not sure how much power difference those 2 items would make. Would the difference be 25hp ?

Anybody have an educated guess ? :confused:


The natural classes would be O/SA and Q/SA. That's .60 difference in the index. I don't think the 290 engine would be that much faster. You could always change heads and see how much difference that makes. The cam wouldn't make much difference.

oldskool 12-08-2017 09:02 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
Yeah, that makes good sense to me. May as well also strap on a Q-jet & see if it looks more competitive, than either 2-barrel engine. The Q-jet engines just seem to be more competitive, in most combos, unless you can get the hp factor lowered enuff.

I just can't think of a single competitive 2-barrel Pontiac Stocker, right now. Lots of competitive Q-jet combos.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...1&MAKE=Pontiac

JoeCool108 04-06-2018 11:52 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
Well if I decide to do the wagon based of the Class racer site, it fits Q/SA with the 2 barrel at 17.05 which is at the top of the class.. so thats a good thing right?
So where should I start? I guess a rule book to see what I can and cant do would be a good place to start.. any reccomendations on transmissions, gears, rear ends...etc?? Tire size? ?

Mark Yacavone 04-07-2018 12:19 AM

Re: Stocker build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeCool108 (Post 560050)
Well if I decide to do the wagon based of the Class racer site, it fits Q/SA with the 2 barrel at 17.05 which is at the top of the class.. so thats a good thing right?
So where should I start? I guess a rule book to see what I can and cant do would be a good place to start.. any reccomendations on transmissions, gears, rear ends...etc?? Tire size? ?

Forget about it .
If you are really so inclined to race a tank, find a 77 Grand Safari for P/SA ,with a 4bbl 400.
Oh , you'll need some skateboard wheels for the front, or maybe just leave on the second yellow.

JoeCool108 04-07-2018 07:05 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
Ok.. so what car/class do you suggest for someone who is going to build a car from stock.. one that can be accomplished on a small budget with me doing most of the work as possible.. Im all ears.. :)

Mark Yacavone 04-07-2018 08:39 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeCool108 (Post 560088)
Ok.. so what car/class do you suggest for someone who is going to build a car from stock.. one that can be accomplished on a small budget with me doing most of the work as possible.. Im all ears.. :)

Well, you've already exempted yourself from all stick car and most RWD's.
That leaves the old standby ..302 Fffffford 2 v, R,T, U /SA.

JoeCool108 04-07-2018 08:46 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 560095)
Well, you've already exempted yourself from all stick car and most RWD's.
That leaves the old standby ..302 Fffffford 2 v, R,T, U /SA.

Not sure what you mean by Ive already exempted myself from...

kansas stocker 04-07-2018 09:12 PM

Re: Stocker build
 
I guessing that the term "small budget:" is what Mark is referring to. The price of a racing 4 speed, clutch, and bell housing ruins the budget on its own. Could be over $7000 with the shifter included if my research is correct.
Pete


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