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Ryan Horensky 11-21-2010 04:11 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete (Post 223593)
If you went one thou under giving up the stripe by 1 thou. then your oppenent ran right on with a zero.
Or you crossed the center line to lose.

If your opponent had a perfect run...you would still take the stripe by 1 thou if you were .000 and one thou under your dial. You couldn't give up the stripe by 1 thou to the perfect run and still be 1 thou under.

Ryan Horensky 11-21-2010 04:26 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete (Post 223593)
If you went one thou under giving up the stripe by 1 thou. then your oppenent ran right on with a zero.
Or you crossed the center line to lose.

Impossible. If you were .000 and 1 thou under your dial. Even if your opponent had a perfect run...you would still take the stripe by 1 thou. There is no mathematical way you could give the stripe back by 1 thou to a perfect run scenario and still run 1 thou under your dial. The question is pretty complicated isn't it! lol!

Mike Carr 11-21-2010 06:11 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryan Horensky (Post 223537)
If your triple .000, one thou under giving up the stripe by one thou, what ARE the ways you can lose? My friend Bryan Sorce posted this on a forum yesterday and received some pretty interesting answers. So what do all of you think?


If a racer is .000 on the tree, -.001 under the dial, their total package is -.001 To lose by .001, nothing I can think of would cause you to lose (barring a track official DQ'ing you for something, excessibe breaking, boundary line violation). The opponent's package would have to be some combination of ET/RT to equal -.002, for them to take the one-thou stripe you mentioned.

The only thing I can think of, would be if you ran too fast for what you/your car was certified for (i.e. running quicker than 7.50 with a competition license/chassis certification that is good to as quick as 7.50 but no quicker. It happened to Bo Butner in AA/SM (now known as CC/A) at the Indy LODRS in 2006, he ran 7.49 in qualifying, in a car that was certified only to 7.50, and was DQ'd from the event).

Ron Ortiz 11-21-2010 06:18 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Two ways are possible.

Though you had a triple .000 it still can be on the red side, I have seen it before.

Your opponents package is less than -.001

Ron Ortiz
U/SA this is in earth sequential mathematics.

Ed Fernandez 11-21-2010 06:22 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Don't the clocks read down to the fourth digit? the other guy can win by .0001.That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Ryan,you have too much time on your hands for a young guy.:>):>)

Ryan Horensky 11-21-2010 06:32 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 223629)
Don't the clocks read down to the fourth digit? the other guy can win by .0001.That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Ryan,you have too much time on your hands for a young guy.:>):>)

I guess I do have too much time on my hands now that the season is over! Lol! The question is quite a "brainbuster" though

Michael Beard 11-21-2010 06:40 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Ed's on the right track. Significant digits can play a role in this situation.

Excessive breaking, crossing the centerline or hitting the wall are among potential non-mathematical reasons for losing as well.

cad 11-21-2010 07:14 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
I'm with Ed on the mathematical side. I have seen a couple races won/lost by .0001/.0009, etc.

Dave Casey 11-21-2010 09:02 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
After rereading it, scratch my first reply. I am not considering any boundry, tech,braking issues etc Mathematically I don't know if your time slip is a product of rounding up or down or not at all

example. if you light was .0009, would it read .000 or .001 ? same with all the numbers, reaction time,and dial and stripe time. I am guessing that they round a .0005 to a 001 and a .0004 to a 000.

The reason that I state this is because with 2 variables going the opposite way, maybe you could lose this race mathematically. otherwise I don't think it is possible, I think you would be the winner, because the other car would need to breakout more even with a perfect light.

So my question is how are the numbers rounded in the system ?

cad 11-21-2010 09:06 PM

Re: Some afterseason thought
 
Eddyville IA's timing system provides the incrementals all the way out 4 digits past the decimal on paper. I had a perfect light in time trials, which displayed on the boards as ***. My time slip was .0007 or something like that. I dont think the system rounds up or down. You just may not see the 4th digit on your slip at most tracks.


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