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Ok so I took it back to the track this past weekend and as I stated I welded the door bars in and also welded the sub frame connectors solid, I also tightened the front shock adjustment and it helped quite a bit but still twists, I was wondering before I put the anti roll bar in it what you guys would think about adding another shock to the back of the car on one side. if you notice in the pictures I have 2 different mounting locations for shocks on each side, my question is if I do try this which side should I put it on. I guess I have thought about it so much I have confused myself, would I put it on the drivers side rear to try to slow down the body seperation on the drivers side or would I want to put it on the passenger side to help control the compression on that side? Some folks watched it and said its like it does nothing on the passenger side rear and its all in the drivers side rear. I have thought about it both ways and I guess it makes sense both ways, just wanting your advise as I will be trying it out one way or the other this weekend. Thanks in advance...Oh just to clarify I am saying i will be running a total of 3 rear shocks 2 on one side and one on the other

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No. Have you pulled your rear shocks in and checked the valving? My car used to twist with QA1 single adjustables...Turns out 1 was bad. I now have AFCO double adjustables and the twist is gone.

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Like Small Bock said, the shocks could be your cause. Did you change shocks from side to side and see if the car reacts differently. I am sure you have done this but have you extended the shocks and see if they stop short? I am taking a wild guess now. I have seen some nice roll bars from RJ race cars and even Competition eng. Good luck.

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I have pulled both rear shocks and both feel exactly the same. i was just curious to see which side you would put the extra shock on. I have tried everything but puttin an anti roll on it, had some extra shocks so thought I would try it, just didnt know whether to try limiting the seperation on the drivers side or compression on the passenger side.

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Eric, think of it this way. When you are under throttle, the rear axle is acting like a big propeller. Instead of the drive shaft and pinion gear turning, the ring gear and housing are trying to walk around the pinion.

So rather than the car rolling over, the axle is actually trying to turn. When the axle is trying to turn, it is trying to push the left tire into the track and trying to lift the right tire off the ground. You see this as body roll, extension on the left and compresson on the right.

The springs and shocks normally control how much and how fast the axle can move. But when you move the springs and shocks closer to the center of the axle, their effects become less because their leverage is less. A stiffer spring, air bag, and tighter shock compression setting on the right side will slow down the compression. But your only option for the left is to tighten the shock extension.

A roll bar is your best bet at this point.

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It is intirely possible that one or both of your front shocks are toast. Try to borrow a pair of shocks for a buddy and see how they work.

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It looks to me like it has no preload on the passenger side. It looks like its darting off to the right

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Thanks for all the input, I am gonna try putting the extra shock on the right rear and see what happens, I know an anti roll bar will be the answer but now I am just seeing what will make it better before putting the anti roll bar on the car, got under the car last night trying to pick a spot I think its gonna be pretty tough to do but I think it can be done, can you run the bar welded to the rear end and run the heims up to the fram rails? Just curious. Thanks again..

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Here is an update, I am going to break down and buy an anti roll bar, shocks have all been tested and are fine, leafs were inspected and all fine, I did run an extra shock on the back of the car made 2 passes with the shock on each side, it helped quite a bit when it was on the drivers side, and almost felt worse when it was on the passenger side. I have made huge improvements to it compared to the first week out as now it is only bringing the front left tire up about 12-14 inches and the right front is at about 6 inches, I didn that by adding door bars to the cage, welding the bolt in connectors, tightening up the front shocks to full stiff (koni spa1) and installing rear aluminum leaf spring bushings. Not sure which one made the biggest difference but the car is at least driveable and raceable now as it 60'd 1.45's all night within .006. Just want it to feel better when it leaves if you know what i mean. I will be ordering the DM Products anti roll bar this week and installing it as soon as I get it.

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Eric, to say the least you are making good progress. I am glad that it is coming around. I am sure the sway bar will take out the rest of the roll. One question does the car "dart" or pull to the right what you take off? I don't mean a sudden move to the wall or tree but I mean a noticeable move to the right when you take off. You are leaving off a brake right? No footbrake? Thanks again for the update.

Robert