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boostedf22c 01-23-2013 03:30 PM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
Right on!

art leong 01-23-2013 03:35 PM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 366154)
Yes, the Quick 32 would be a Comp-style CIC race (handicapped start off the class indexes, first to the finish wins, go faster than the CIC trigger and your index is adjusted down by the difference for the rest of the Quick 32 race. Indexes return to normal for Qualifying, Class, and Sunday's main event). The CIC trigger is to be determined. Need to do a little "playtesting" to see what would work the best. We will be using what is roughly the old NHRA indexes (index +.30). I can probably put together a spreadsheet for testing a given pair of cars, and go through a mock-eliminations to see how it pans out, to see if the trigger should be -1.00, -1.25, or somewhere inbetween.

Michael. How about making it 1 second under. This way some of the not so fast cars have to deal with the CIC

Mike Croley 01-23-2013 06:33 PM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
There's a lot of interest in this race Michael, and for good reason. When it comes time to sign up sponsors and contingencies , keep Renegade Racing Fuels in mind. We would love to be part of this show.

Bob Shaw 01-23-2013 09:04 PM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
Michael,
How about no cic and let's see who has the fastest car.

Michael Beard 01-23-2013 09:26 PM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Shaw (Post 366347)
Michael,
How about no cic and let's see who has the fastest car.

Qualifying shows who has the fastest car. ;) Although that's a good reminder to seek sponsors for Top Qualifier awards!

Again, I need to do some research and play-testing, but I'm leaning toward having a relatively high trigger so that the majority of the racing will be wide open, and the CIC hits would likely only affect the combos that appear out of the norm. If you set the CIC too low, you just end up with more 1000' racing, which defeats the purpose. I believe there needs to be some level of CIC constraint, however, so that there's more to the race than just "qualifying".

Michael Beard 01-24-2013 01:11 AM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
Worked up a really ugly spreadsheet tonight to test some CIC triggers. (Remembering that we're dealing with NHRA Indexes +.30 to start with)

With a low -1.00 trigger, EVERYBODY is getting hit first round, (except in the case of a red light), then from there on out, all of the racing becomes very, very close, almost to the point of being a coin toss. I think that takes a lot away from the performance aspect of it. A -1.25 trigger would theoretically be about the middle of the field. I think you maintain performance while still putting the driver in the game... just my opinion. Still seeking input.

What have they done at Belle Rose? What did you think? How would a different trigger affect the racing? Which is more fun?

Andrew Hill 01-24-2013 02:39 AM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 366387)
Worked up a really ugly spreadsheet tonight to test some CIC triggers. (Remembering that we're dealing with NHRA Indexes +.30 to start with)

With a low -1.00 trigger, EVERYBODY is getting hit first round, (except in the case of a red light), then from there on out, all of the racing becomes very, very close, almost to the point of being a coin toss. I think that takes a lot away from the performance aspect of it. A -1.25 trigger would theoretically be about the middle of the field. I think you maintain performance while still putting the driver in the game... just my opinion. Still seeking input.

What have they done at Belle Rose? What did you think? How would a different trigger affect the racing? Which is more fun?

Another problem with the low trigger is that is someone does have a red light against them first round, they have a huge advantage second round over the guy who went 1.30 under first round. And that advantage will continue throughout eliminations unless there are more red lights because they won't have to go as fast to win. A higher trigger will take a little bit of the luck out of it.

I do agree with having one low enough to keep the driver in the game, that's half the fun! I like the 1.25 idea.

Larry Hill 01-24-2013 08:32 AM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
That sounds good -1.25

Dirk Olson 01-24-2013 11:51 AM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
I'm with Larry, 1.25 and you still have guys clicking it at 1000'

Dirk

Michael Beard 01-29-2013 01:30 PM

Re: Class Nationals event planning
 
Another thought that just crossed my mind is to have a little Bracket Finals "team" aspect to the Class Nationals. There are a large number of great S/SS Associations out there. I think it would be neat to award points to the Associations, and crown a 'team champion' at the end of the weekend.


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