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Re: Hemi Head Ruling

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Originally Posted by art leong (Post 371449)

But they never measured my hood scoop. Also know as front mounted parachute. LOL
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/a...SCAN0005-1.jpg

You know, I've seen this kind of nonsense go on for years and it's not limited to racers. Over the years it seems that one thing remains the same.... "the whiners and the crybabies (for the most part) who cry the loudest have the most to lose". Case in point: When I first moved from SS to Comp I had an A/SM Olds Calais. The rear spoiler was an oem factory piece that was bolted (in the factory location) and bondoed to the deck lid. It was clearly for aesthetic purposes. There was no real benefit. At Maple Grove another SM Comp racer started whining and complaining about it. NHRA Tech told me to remove it so I did.... on the spot. Then I went to the semi's, ran it out the back against Larry Kopp, went .60 + under and hit the index. That's when the real whining started. Later at Topeka, I hit the index again. At that point, a mindless few even threatened me. Lesson: Be careful what you complain about. The end result may be far more unpleasant.

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Originally Posted by 426Fred (Post 371396)

I for one love this stuff. It just goes to show how passionate these guys are to be the best that they can be. If you are not looking for an advantage to get ahead of your competition, you might as well stay home. It reminds me of the early 70's ProStock racing. Dollar for dollar, if I had a choice to watch the current ProStock racing or the HEMI shoot out at Indy, handsdown I would watch the shoot out every time. How many stock and super stock racers do you see going to the lanes to see ProStock racing versus the HEMI's running? Run what you brung, lets see a 7 this year :)

Even though I love both classes tremendously, I disagree for one reason and one reason only. In the hemi shootout, you can count on one finger who is likely going to be in the finals if both cars get traction. When there is 5-6 tenths between #1 and #16, its a bad situation. I really wish it was more competitive than it currently is. I love this class but its definitely sad when you can pick the winner every race with pretty good certainty, well most times. The early rounds with cars that are near each other in ET makes for good racing but as soon as they meet the titans, gameover if both get traction. Thats the only downside from a fan perspective.

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Art
The old Ebody we sold to Bagwell went thru many front fenders. As a 70 it had no louvers but as a 71 it had to have them so we cut holes in and stuck the louvers in. No good once it was realized they were not recessed like factory so new 71 fenders went on. The following is from a magazine article. Mopar Action 12/12. Won't write the hole thing but Earwood says after bombing the SS/EA record they moved the car to a 70 for SS/DA. With the expensive paint job Bagwell had they didn't want to change fenders so Terry had large "1973 National Super Stock Champion" decals made and put over the holes. World Finals Earwood was protested and Marty Barrett asked terry if he pushed a pencil on the decals would it go thru. Terry said yes and Marty asked " you know whose mistake this was?" to which Terry responded "mine". Marty said "It's my mistake-not yours-because I didn't catch it." Marty let him finish the race. Always liked Marty.
Sorry kind of off topic but just shows how tight tech was.

Re: Hemi Head Ruling

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Originally Posted by cutta (Post 371452)

I understand and sympathise with what you are saying,but if the rules went back to crossrams and not getting near the vc bolt holes,the creme will still rise to the top. I've sat and watched the Westcotts test many times. I doubt anyone will outthink Jr,and I KNOW no one will outwork him.

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I am not sure if NHRA is looking at fixing the rule if not they will be seeing some funny things over the next little while and I do not think the engine builders are looking for this.Can they not make it you cannot cut into the vc bolt hole at the vc suffarce like 90% thought it was all along and carry on racing.The longer this is not fixed the deeper it gets and may never fix it. Wendell

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Originally Posted by Spyphish (Post 371379)

I guess this means you guys are RSVP for the KKFC $10k deal??

Glad to see we can still be friends. Does this mean I qualify for the $10k? I'm trying to figure out which car to bring. Those 10 rockets make it tempting to bring the AH car.

[ame="http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEXSKFzhEw"]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEXSKFzhEw[/ame]

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Originally Posted by David Barton (Post 370822)

I don't know why everyone keeps saying the original rule was to not cut into the top of the valve cover bolt hole. If it said anything about the valve cover bolt hole it would have meant cutting into ANY portion of the hole.

Where did it ever say you can cut into the hole but not on the top?

Anyway, besides all of that, Charlie, I have 2 simple questions for you.

#1 - At Indy 2012, did you go to teardown with your valve cover flange busted off?

#2 - At Indy 2012, did you have external modifications to the front of your heads like Comella had at the Dutch Classic?

According to the picture posted on Moparts, your valve cover flange has been machine so much that the flange is falling off. What good is the top of the hole if the flange is gone? And the one crappy repair you can see that the flange was poorly welded on and is clearly not welded back in place where it should be.

Wendell Howes stated that everyones valve covers should bolt onto each others heads. We clearly showed him as well as NHRA that you can still bolt on a factory valve cover to our heads with all 10 bolts. I can't say the same for yours being you have to bolt your valve covers to the intake! Can you say bogus?

I wouldn't have the balls to show up at an NHRA event with parts like this. I have too much respect for guys like Dave Ley and Ryck Cambell. I couldn't look them in the eye with a straight face and say my parts are legal. I don't know how you sleep at night.

Two scoop, you missed your calling, Cabinet member of current Presidential administration. Head of Transportation or some other BS. Barton-ism to the 27th power. How did you sleep on the night of Sept. 4, 2009. Dave Rayborn from Ca. ELIMINATED, Randall Warford ELIMINATED, John Rains Ca. ELIMINATED, but since scoop width not in rules as per you??? (See X-techman post). You had to change hoods after those boys lost. I went back and checked NTM database(you don't have that), not only were you narrow, you were too tall all the way back to clear the back carb. You knew it, that's why you were the only guy there with TWO hoods. Then you had to change it and guess what, Sr. hands your stuff back "in a sock" with someones borrowed backup motor. BOG, HELLO! No back carb clearance. This is a generation deal. PLEASE read the Mr. Dwight Southerland's post on page 10. Memorize it. He doesn't know it yet but he is running for President and I am his manager. I will test you on it when you come to collect at BRose.

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Originally Posted by David Barton (Post 371565)

Glad to see we can still be friends. Does this mean I qualify for the $10k? I'm trying to figure out which car to bring. Those 10 rockets make it tempting to bring the AH car.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEXSKFzhEw

Okay, Charlie it your turn to put up your winter progress vid, then Mr. Hess, you can put your video up following that.

Looks good Mr. Barton! Hopefully there is a decent turnout in Belle Rose. Me and dad will be in attendance.

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[QUOTE=David Barton;371565]Glad to see we can still be friends. Does this mean I qualify for the $10k? I'm trying to figure out which car to bring. Those 10 rockets make it tempting to bring the AH car.

BRING IT!

Two Scoop, you will NOT pass the KKFC teardown with the head shown +/- 17 seconds in the video. Just stop the movie and enlarge the frame. Where are these 10 VC bolt holes you brag about 15 pages and 30,000 views ago? In the trailer or the trash. If that's a NHRA SS/AH head, you are CHEATING BIG TIME. My goodness, how can you sleep at night, bogus, crooked NHRA etc etc. These are all your words, not mine. Of course, since we see it on the internet, it must be true and "I am a French Model" BONJOUR!!!

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Stephen, would you like the body templets for your shoot out.